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  2. What is an "SAL"? What is an "ALR"? RONR has no restrictions whatsoever on members belonging to more than one organization or holding offices in more than one. If there is some relationship between the two organizations you speak of, it would be helpful if you would tell us just what that relationship is.
  3. I would like to know if its legal for a duel member SAL and ALR who holds a president or commander in one org. to hold another office in the other org. ?
  4. Dr. Stockley, I understand your frustration. There are some workarounds, however, as i pointed out in the following post which I made back on March 5: I would add that a special rule of order permitting a member parliamentarian to participate in meetings could permit him to exercise all of the rights of other members or could be more limited in scope, such as granting him the right to raise points of order. In the case of the rule adopted by my NAP unit, it permits the member parliamentarian to exercise all of the rights of membership. I will also add that I think it is extremely doubtful that, even without such a special rule of order, an assembly would in any way discipline or censure a member parliamentarian for raising a point of order as to a serious breach of the rules by the chair affecting the rights of members of the assembly. Despite the language in RONR, I think doing that is precisely what the membership expects from a member parliamentarian.
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  6. Precedence of Bylaws

    You're welcome! It's kind of nice to be appreciated once in a while.
  7. A member recording a meeting

    I concur except that I would say “bylaws or other rules.” A rule regarding recordings need not be in the bylaws - a standing rule would be sufficient.
  8. No, you are not required to wait for him to consult you. You can and should point out errors yourself - directly to the chair. If the chair does not listen to you, however, you have no further recourse. So far as RONR is concerned, the role of the parliamentarian is to advise the chair, not to serve as a “check” on the chair. Although since you have the title of “Judge Advocate,” perhaps your organization’s rules define your role differently.
  9. elect a candidate by acclamation

    Three things you may want to keep in mind: "Whenever a vote is to be taken by ballot, it is out of order to move that one person—the secretary, for example—cast the ballot of the assembly." (RONR, 11th ed., p. 413) "If the bylaws require the election of officers to be by ballot and there is only one nominee for an office, the ballot must nevertheless be taken for that office unless the bylaws provide for an exception in such a case. In the absence of the latter provision, members still have the right, on the ballot, to cast "write-in votes" for other eligible persons. (RONR, 11th ed., pp. 441-442) "If only one person is nominated and the bylaws do not require that a ballot vote be taken, the chair, after ensuring that, in fact, no members present wish to make further nominations, simply declares that the nominee is elected, thus effecting the election by unanimous consent or 'acclamation'." (RONR, 11th ed., p. 443)
  10. The organization has no need to specify in its bylaws an order of chair succession beyond the President and the Vice President(s) (which is already specified in RONR) although it may certainly do so if it wishes. My assumption was that the organization in question has only one Vice President and the bylaws do not provide for any further order of succession, or else there would be no need for the OP to ask the question. In any event, the procedure listed above is the process to follow when all persons in the organization’s order of chair succession are absent.
  11. elect a candidate by acclamation

    Our normal procedure for when a candidate is running unopposed is for a member to move that the adjutant cast one unanimous ballot for the candidate, second followed by a voice vote. If there are two or more candidates for the office, the election is handled by ballot.
  12. A member recording a meeting

    We have for many years taped the our meetings to aid the Adjutant in taking accurate minutes. Of course, this practice was approved by the membership decades ago when I was the Post Adjutant (Secretary). Of course, owing to state law all parties have to be made aware that the making of audio recordings is being done. I'm not sure of whether a member recording, either openly or clandestinely, would be permitted under that same notification in the eyes of the law. However, I suppose that any restrictions to it would have to determined with the By-Laws rather than RONR.
  13. Since your by-laws state that the Parliamentarian, usually an advisory position, it might be prudent to make a change to that rule by an amendment also.
  14. Be gentle on your chair. Don't raise a host of relatively minor parliamentary missteps (like discussing unseconded motions or folks using "table" when postpone is the clear intent) until your chair learns how to avoid big ones that cut into members rights, &c.
  15. Apparently, I'll have to resign my office of Post Judge Advocate since it prohibits me from exercising my rights as a member, which I deem more useful to the organization. Of course, even as just a regular member my knowledge of the National & Post By-Laws coupled with my limited knowledge of RONR will most likely come in useful. Frankly, we've probably become a bit too lax in procedure over the years so I suppose the switch from Demeter's to Robert's will force us to get back on the relatively straight and narrow.
  16. He advised me that he already has the abbreviated version. Alas! It is not always easy to get him or the Jr & Sr Vices to read and understand as much about parliamentary procedures as I'd like. Frankly, ex-military officers and sergeants sometimes have problems understanding such things. They're too use to giving orders without parliamentary procedures getting in the way.
  17. Your bylaws don't have to specify that; RONR does it as the default. Page 452
  18. Well, you can pass the chair notes or other surreptitious communications if he/she is is going (or is about to go) astray. But you should probably work some system out with the chair ahead of time. Easter is coming; give him/her a gift of RONRIB: "Roberts Rules of Order Newly Revised In Brief", Updated Second Edition (Da Capo Press, Perseus Books Group, 2011). It is a splendid summary of all the rules you will ever need in all but the most exceptional situations. And only $7.50! You can read it in an evening. Get both RONRIB and RONR (scroll down) at this link: http://www.robertsrules.com/inbrief.html Or in your local bookstore. It might be just what the parliamentarian ordered.
  19. In my opinion it would fall on the organizations By-Laws to designate the order of succession regarding who will preside in the absence of both the president and vice-president from a meeting. In my organization, the by-laws provide for it with a Sr Vice & Jr Vice.
  20. Time limits during a meeting

    It does indeed.
  21. Who may propose amendments to a main motion?

    Your understanding is correct. You are most welcome.
  22. So, if I'm understanding this correctly, I, as Judge Advocate (Parliamentarian), would under RONR not be permitted to rise to a point of order, make any motions, second any motions or even engage in any discussions or debate on any motions. I would be restricted to merely awaiting for the Commander (Chair) to consult if he is unclear about any of the National, State or Post By-Laws and/or RONR. If that is correct and the presiding officer isn't well versed in the rules or is only acquainted with them as our average member, there is little point in having a parliamentarian. Frankly, it is doubtful that many of our members are willing to familiarize themselves with RONR recognize when there is a point of order to be raised.
  23. Time limits during a meeting

    Our post By-Laws limit speeches to 5 minutes for the first and 3 minutes for the second with a limit of two speeches in each debate. This I believe supersedes RONR's limit.
  24. There seems to be a rash of 'thread necromancy' these days; that is, people are posting replies to long-dead threads, bringing them back to life, as it were. Some forum software includes an option to automatically disable replies to a discussion that hasn't been posted to in a given amount of time. Does the software running this forum have that option? If so, perhaps threads that have been inactive for some time (a month or two, perhaps) could be automatically locked, to force new discussions instead of reviving old ones?
  25. Who may propose amendments to a main motion?

    So my understanding is that any member in good standing, once he has the floor, may offer an amendment to a main motion once it has been stated by the chair and is pending before the membership present is correct. Thank you all again.
  26. Defeated motion

    And I'd guess is that that is probably a good guess.
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