Russ1409

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  1. Thank you for the clarification and the citations.
  2. We are about to make changes to our bylaws. I want to make sure I have the terms and procedures correct, using RONR. 1) We have several bylaws where some simple changes need to be made, changing of wording, addition of some small items etc. This is a motion to amend something previously adopted, correct? 2) We have two new additional bylaws. This is a motion to adopt revised bylaws? Since we already have bylaws in place, is the addition of bylaws a "revision" of the bylaws? 3) All of these changes or additions have come from a bylaw committee. My understanding from another post in this forum is that no motion and no second is made, since it came from the committee, the person from the committee is providing the motion. Correct? 4) I, as the Chair, have made several of the changes/amendments in the bylaw committee. If I'm bringing forth these changes to the membership at the regular meeting, am I technically making the motion? Can I do that as the Chair, or do I need to temporarily step down? 5) I see the footnote in the Table Of Rules section regarding no second of a committee's motion is needed (assuming I'm reading #3 above correctly), but I'd like to be able to cite such procedure. Is p. 28 (11) the correct area? Thank you. Russ
  3. Ok, everyone, thank you very much for the help.
  4. How is an amendment to a motion recorded in the minutes? Does the secretary only record the final motion? And if so, does the person who made the amendment become the person making the motion? Example: Brian makes the motion that the club spends $500 on new tools. The motion is seconded and during debate Dave moves to amend the motion to allocate $1,000 to buy two sets of tools. The motion to amend is seconded, debated, and passed. The club then passes the motion to buy two sets of tools up to $1,000. How is all of this recorded in the minutes? Was the second vote really needed? I know we vote to approve amendments, but basically we voted twice on the same subject. If the amendment failed, then I could see going back to a vote on one set of tools for $1,000. Thanks, Russ
  5. Honestly, the best way to handle this is to get rid of the FaceBook account and make sure all business is conducted at properly called meetings, properly run under RONR. If you feel like you have to have a FB account then you need to be the moderator of the account. Delete the posts that aren't appropriate.
  6. "The problem with quotes on the internet is you never know if they're real." --- Abraham Lincoln
  7. I'm guessing ashis is asking how to proceed, since the Care Taker President wants to hold an election and the secretary says it's unconstitutional. What I'm unclear about is if the original secretary resigned also. Are there absolutely no one still in office from the previous board?
  8. Our board of directors call their meetings "work sessions," because they believe by doing so they don't have to take minutes at their meetings. I'm citing RONR P.487 (13) in saying that they are incorrect and must take minutes no matter what they call their meetings. Am I correct?
  9. Well, it's not my organization, I was rudely jumping in the thread. But I could see how something like this could happen in a bigger organization, so I was wondering, that's all.
  10. I WAS wondering about the first, and and I'm assuming, Mr. Honemann, that you think the situation should be put before the assembly to make the decision to form a committee and discuss the issues with the representative? Is that how you would handle it, lacking guidance by the organization's governing documents? Thank goodness Indont have to deal with such a mess.
  11. Mr. Goldsworthy, thank you for the answer. I am making the same assumption that you did. None of the current members can give me a definitive answer as to why there are by-laws and also SOGs all in one document. The SOGs (I prefer SOP, but whatever) do not contain parliamentary rules. Most of the bylaws are pretty standard, membership, elections, voting privileges, etc. A few of them make references to the SOGs. As an example, a bylaw states: Active membership is open to anyone eighteen years of age or older who meets the requirements set forth in Standard Operating Guideline 1: Active Membership. SOG 1 then goes on to define how an Active Member becomes an Active Member, how the member stays in good standing, what an Active Member does, etc. Personally, I think the SOGs are more applicable as by-laws. But perhaps the SOGs were created to make them easier to change, at least so far as the membership understands RROR, which is "not very well."
  12. Our organization has six by-laws, followed by seven Standard Operating Guidelines. The language for amending the by-laws is sloppy and I'm trying to clean it up. Are standard operating guidelines considered standing rules, and thus amendable by a majority of members present? For purposes of this discussion, please assume the by-laws are silent on if an SOG is a by-law.
  13. Oh yeah for sure. But when someone is kind enough to point out a citation, I'll go read it. But thank you, everyone, this forum is very helpful.
  14. Thank you Mr. Mervosh. I'm still waiting on the RONR to arrive, so when I do get it I will not have to ask these questions. Thank you very much for the citation.
  15. I can feel this question coming from the membership: If the president is a member of the board of directors, why doesn't the bylaw in question supersede the Robert's Rule, thus allowing for the mid-term election rather than the elevation of the president?