Shmuel Gerber

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  1. But there is no suggestion in RONR that action taken in the absence of a quorum is invalid ONLY when when the votes of the absent members could have affected the result of the vote.
  2. Well, if you think that it's possible for a standing rule to have the effect of suspending a rule of order, then so be it. But if it's actually a rule of order because it suspends a rule of order, then it's not a standing rule. So either way, there's no problem.
  3. I would suggest that the chair also announce that the motion to Reconsider cannot be called up before _______ [the next meeting-day] and that all action on the motion involved is suspended until such time as the reconsideration is dealt with. The minutes could state, "Mr. X moved to reconsider and enter on the minutes the vote on the resolution relating to ..."
  4. The reason I suggested that line is that whatever the bylaws say about suspending rules will have to work in harmony with the rule in the bylaws that states, "The rules contained in the current edition of Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised shall govern the Society in all cases to which they are applicable and in which they are not inconsistent with these bylaws and any special rules of order the Society may adopt." Rather than having people's minds spin around until they can figure out whether suspending the rules in the parliamentary authority runs afoul of this rule in the bylaws, I think it's better to state plainly that it doesn't. However, I will now amend my (inadvisable) rule to state as follows: "No rule contained in these bylaws may be suspended except for any rule whose suspension is explicitly provided for in these bylaws. Other rules of the society may be suspended if, and in the manner that, their suspension is provided for in those rules or in the society's parliamentary authority."
  5. But if the society wishes to prohibit the suspension of rules of order in the bylaws, they are erasing the distinction between rules of order and other rules in the bylaws, so it seems perverse to craft a rule that specifically applies to rules of order in the bylaws. I agree with Dan that such a rule could be taken to imply that other rules in the bylaws -- those that are not rules of order -- can be suspended.
  6. It doesn't seem like a good idea. But if it's going to be done, I think it would be less confusing to not specifically mention rules of order, but rather to say something like this: "No rule contained in these bylaws may be suspended except for any rule whose suspension is explicitly provided for in these bylaws. Other rules of the society may be suspended if, and in the manner that, their suspension is provided for in those rules or in the society's parliamentary authority."
  7. You're asking if it's OK to follow the example as given in RONR? Yes, it's OK to do so.
  8. But the way you describe things, it was the morons doing the defeating, not being defeated.
  9. Well, if the members who were absent have an opinion on the question, they have just as much duty to vote on it as all other members do.
  10. On the contrary: the fact that the bylaws contain rules limiting the offices that a husband and wife can hold, but those rules say nothing about service on the board, indicates that there is no such limitation regarding service on the board.
  11. With regard to the signature on the minutes, see RONR (11th ed.), p. 471, ll. 30-34. With regard to reports, see p. 512, ll. 30-32.
  12. I'm not sure what you mean by this: "As a matter of parliamentary law, a contract which has been entered into can be rescinded or amended so long as, and to the extent that, it has not already been fully carried out." This language is very similar to how we speak about the motion to rescind or amend something previously adopted, but I thought you had opined in the past that once a contract has been entered into, the motion to enter into it (in this case, the motion to accept the bid) has been fully carried out.
  13. That's a great answer, Josh. Thanks.
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  15. Thanks for pointing that out. Also, apparently they are not visible on the mobile-device layout. Basically, it seems they are for entertainment purposes only.