Shmuel Gerber

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  1. I've noticed that as well, and we may be taking measures to try controlling the spam more tightly. In the meantime, if you see any spam that's been up for a while, just click the "Report post" link and submit to inform the moderator(s).
  2. Members can now once again include a "signature" that will be shown underneath their posts, visible to people who have enabled viewing of signatures. You can change your signature from your Account Settings page. If you had a signature before, it's back the way it was the last time you updated it.
  3. Thanks for pointing that out. Also, apparently they are not visible on the mobile-device layout. Basically, it seems they are for entertainment purposes only.
  4. But George's comment about signing up as a member still applies -- only members can receive direct messages from others on the system. When you sign up as a member, all you are asked for is a "Display Name" and an email address. So far as I know, there is no legal requirement to provide your real name, and the email address that you use is visible only to the staff, not to other members.
  5. It's very hard to understand the purpose of your posting this question here. "A society has no executive board, nor can its officers act as a board, except as the bylaws may provide; and when so established, the board has only such power as is delegated to it by the bylaws or by vote of the society's assembly referring individual matters to it. The amount of regular power delegated to an executive board under the bylaws varies considerably from one organization to another. . . . In any event, no action of the board can alter or conflict with any decision made by the assembly of the society, and any such action of the board is null and void. Except in matters placed by the bylaws exclusively under the control of the board, the society's assembly can give the board instructions which it must carry out, and can rescind or amend any action of the board if it is not too late. It should be noted, however, that exactly the opposite condition prevails in connection with boards of business corporations, in which the board has exclusive power and authority to operate the business." The above paragraph seems to provide as clear an answer to your question as possible in the absence of a full accounting of the relevant laws and bylaw provisions applicable to the particular organization. "But oh, wait," you say -- "the assembly hasn't adopted RONR, so it doesn't need to abide by this paragraph." So why did you post the question? Is what someone says here on an Internet message board going to be of more authority? If so, then now it's been posted, so you have your answer.
  6. I think Alexis Hunt already explained it: In my view, both parts of the quoted sentence would be true even if the sentence were omitted, as they are simply two consequences, unrelated to each other, of the already stated rules regarding what the assembly can and cannot do in the absence of a quorum. They are stated explicitly because some readers might not otherwise foresee these consequences. What I don't understand is how anything could possibly be gleaned by the fact that the reference to giving notice was "tacked on to the end of that sentence on page 348, lines 14-16, which had already referred to the prohibition against transacting business." The reference in the first part of the sentence is to waiving the transaction-of-business prohibition by unanimous consent. That couldn't possibly include any inference about the giving of previous notice in general, because even if it somehow did encompass a rule about previous notice, it would be only about giving notice if the quorum rule is [attempted to be] waived by unanimous consent. So it seems clear to me that they're just two totally independent statements.
  7. The only problem is that, on lines 7-15 of page 581, RONR says that the second of these three requirements is a dumb thing for an assembly to have.
  8. Could be. I guess it depends whether they were in the inside of the door or the outside.
  9. I'm not confused. George, are you confused? I don't think that notice can be given only at a regular meeting, but I do think that notice can be given at a special meeting only on matters relating to the purpose of the meeting. I agree with George, and I'm actually surprised that this is Dan's view of the meaning of "transacting business." I think the reason that extra bit about giving notice in the absence of a quorum is tacked on is precisely to repudiate the notion that giving notice does not constitute the transaction of business within the meaning of the rules relating to quorum, and I think the same (meaning the opposite) is true for the rules relating to special meetings. However, I have not actually yet tried flipping a real coin to settle the matter, so maybe my views will change.
  10. Well, my (imaginary) coin agrees with George's. :-) I think the situation is very much akin to a meeting at which there is no quorum. If a previous notice given at a special meeting has nothing to do with the stated purpose or purposes of the meeting, then I don't think it should have any effect on the business at the next regular meeting. The call of a special meeting is basically a guarantee to the members who are not interested in the stated subject(s) of the meeting that they will not lose anything by not attending, and in this case what they would lose is receiving in a timely manner the information provided by the notice. I'm not saying there cannot ever be circumstances in which something unexpected will validly take place at a special meeting (for example, expelling a member who misbehaves at the meeting), but I don't think giving previous notice is among them. On the other hand, if the previous notice is related to the stated subject of the special meeting, then I agree it would be valid. For example, a member might give previous notice of a motion to rescind a motion that was adopted at the meeting. Of course, I would also advise against calling a special meeting for the sole purpose of providing previous notice of a motion to be made at the next regular meeting. :-)
  11. I agree with this. Until the bylaws can be properly amended, the omission should be treated as a scrivener's error.
  12. And so the reference would be to RONR, 11th ed., p. 138, ll. 9-14: "The following types of amendment are out of order: . . . One that merely makes the adoption of the amended question equivalent to a rejection of the original motion." In this case, the "original motion" would be the primary (first-degree) amendment.
  13. On my screen, they show as 13 hours ago, 11 hours ago, 11 hours ago, 7 hours ago, 24 minutes ago, and 15 minutes ago. Maybe you had the page open for so long that the computer got tired of keeping track of the time. (Maybe Linux is easily fatigable.)
  14. If your bylaws do not provide for email voting, then you can't do it. Besides, you didn't even have an email vote to authorize the email vote by which you authorized email voting. :-)
  15. Maybe he forgot to explain what the book is talking about. After all, doesn't every committee have the power to take all the steps necessary to carry out its instructions? (Or at least as much power as it could be given by the body that issued those instructions.)
  16. I think this thread has gone off the rails with all the discussion about standing rules and special rules of order. In my opinion, no additional duties can be assigned to the officers, without amending the bylaws, except as they may be specific duties that fall within the scope of the general duties already prescribed. For example, since "The secretary is the recording officer of the assembly and the custodian of its records, except those specifically assigned to others, such as the treasurer's books" (p. 458, ll. 24-26), it would be fine for the assembly to adopt a rule directing the secretary to keep the guest register for meetings. However, it would not be fine for the assembly to adopt a rule directing the secretary to prepare the meeting room by sweeping the floors, setting up the chairs, and putting a lollipop on every chair together with a copy of the tentative agenda.
  17. If the fact that the board's adopted parliamentary authority says so is not enough to satisfy this board member, I predict that any rationale that the folks on the Internet may come up with will not be satisfactory either. Just let the secretary prepare the minutes the way they are supposed to be prepared, and then it will be up to this board member to convince the secretary and the board to do all the extra work of trying to record and correct the content of remarks made in the meeting.
  18. Unless his absence breaks the quorum.
  19. The thing to apologize for, and which Kim K did apologize for, is posting a new question into an old topic. The forum instructions clearly say not to do that. Next time how about graciously accepting apologies instead of making people feel bad for apologizing.:-)
  20. Not for nothing, this topic is now closed.
  21. No, you don't gotta ask that, and fixter don't gotta answer.
  22. Well, it would be truly awful if the ballot had no names listed on it AND there wasn't any room for write-ins. :-)
  23. And then they should both be given the heave-ho. They're terribly worded.
  24. Normally, a motion will be carried out by one or more of the executive officers, the executive board, or a standing or special committee, depending on who has the power to act on matters relating to the motion or on behalf of the society in general. That is why the executive board is called the executive board -- it executes actions on behalf of the society. "Except in the simplest and smallest local societies, or those holding very frequent regular meetings, it is generally found advisable to provide in the bylaws for a board to be empowered to act for the society when necessary between its regular meetings, and in some cases to have complete control over certain phases of the society's business." (RONR, p. 481.) If there is an executive board, and if the motion does not full under the purview of any particular officer or committee, then that is the executive board's responsibility. If there is no executive board, then I agree the bylaws should provide that the president (or someone else, such as the executive secretary) shall be the chief executive officer of the society. Otherwise, the president will not have any such authority: "In many organized societies, the president has duties as an administrative or executive officer; but these are outside the scope of parliamentary law, and the president has such authority only insofar as the bylaws provide it." (p. 456)