jstackpo Posted March 3, 2014 at 09:22 PM Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 at 09:22 PM A meeting attendee I was chatting with just now said there was a big fight at a recent meeting he was at with someone claiming that RONR now requires (it doesn't of course) that one vote affirmative by saying "Yes", not "Aye". Anybody else run into this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted March 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM A meeting attendee I was chatting with just now said there was a big fight at a recent meeting he was at with someone claiming that RONR now requires (it doesn't of course) that one vote affirmative by saying "Yes", not "Aye". Anybody else run into this one? Nope. Although I see plenty of assemblies which insist on saying "Nay" instead of "No." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ed Posted March 4, 2014 at 05:27 AM Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 at 05:27 AM While there is certainly nothing wrong with an organization creating its own rules regarding what constitutes a 'yes' vote or a 'no' vote, RONR would not support any specific version. The last time I check RONR would support anything that was clear - i.e. 'yes', 'aye', 'agree', etc. to support a motion. I might be wrong here, but as long as a member's vote is clear, I don't think RONR has an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted March 4, 2014 at 04:18 PM Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 at 04:18 PM While there is certainly nothing wrong with an organization creating its own rules regarding what constitutes a 'yes' vote or a 'no' vote, RONR would not support any specific version. The last time I check RONR would support anything that was clear - i.e. 'yes', 'aye', 'agree', etc. to support a motion. I might be wrong here, but as long as a member's vote is clear, I don't think RONR has an issue. RONR is quite clear that the appropriate words to use when voting are "aye" for voting in the affirmative and "no" for voting in the negative. Nonetheless, a member's vote should be counted so long as the intent is clear, unless the society has adopted rules specifically providing otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted March 4, 2014 at 04:49 PM Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 at 04:49 PM A meeting attendee I was chatting with just now said there was a big fight at a recent meeting he was at with someone claiming that RONR now requires (it doesn't of course) that one vote affirmative by saying "Yes", not "Aye". Anybody else run into this one?Rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted March 4, 2014 at 06:26 PM Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 at 06:26 PM Anybody else run into this one? Nope (perhaps naype?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted March 6, 2014 at 01:48 PM Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 at 01:48 PM One wonders where these things come from.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmcclintock Posted March 7, 2014 at 03:19 AM Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 at 03:19 AM The Everything Robert's Rules Book: All you need to organize and conduct a meeting (Everything®) by Barbara Campbell (Aug 18, 2004) on p. 244, in the Appendix Glossary of Terms, says "aye: A 'yes' vote is sometimes referred to in discussion as an 'aye' vote." But on p. 235 it says: "...vote by saying, 'All those in favor of [John Smith] for president, say "aye."'"Robert's Rules of Order 2nd edition p. 96, on voting by Yeas and Nays (roll call), says "each member, as his name is called, rises and answers *yes* or *no*, and the clerk notes his answer."RONR, 11th ed., p. 420, l. 22-25 speaks of a signed ballot where "the voter writes 'yes' or 'no' on the ballot and signs it."RONR, 11th ed., p. 420, l. 32ff gives and example for a roll call vote: "As many as are in favor...will, as their names are called, answer aye [or 'yes,' or 'yea']; those opposed will no [or 'nay'].See also my article in AIP's Parliamentary Journal, January 2010: History of "Aye" and "No". Or ask me for a copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted March 7, 2014 at 06:43 AM Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 at 06:43 AM Paul, may I please have a copy? Also your haberdasher's address my hat is falling apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmcclintock Posted March 20, 2014 at 04:31 PM Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 at 04:31 PM Paul, may I please have a copy? Also your haberdasher's address my hat is falling apart. See it online at https://sites.google.com/site/meetingtips/mcclintock-s-articles-and-handouts listed as HistoryofAyeandNo.pdf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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