Guest John Posted January 14, 2016 at 10:38 PM Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 at 10:38 PM If a 2/3 vote is required for a motion, and 14 members are present. The vote occurs with 9 for, 4 against and one abstention... Did the vote carry and pass? I have read that the abstention does not count? Please advise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted January 14, 2016 at 10:44 PM Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 at 10:44 PM 1 minute ago, Guest John said: If a 2/3 vote is required for a motion, and 14 members are present. The vote occurs with 9 for, 4 against and one abstention... Did the vote carry and pass? I have read that the abstention does not count? Please advise. Based on the facts provided, the vote should have passed. Whether it did pass depends on what the chair announced - it's too late to contest that announcement at this time. It is correct that, in the ordinary case, an abstention has no effect on the result of a vote. See FAQ #6 for more information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted January 15, 2016 at 05:48 PM Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 at 05:48 PM 19 hours ago, Guest John said: If a 2/3 vote is required for a motion, and 14 members are present. The vote occurs with 9 for, 4 against and one abstention... Did the vote carry and pass? I have read that the abstention does not count? Please advise. Yes, it should . To pass a 2/3 vote, you need at least twice as many Yes votes as No votes. So, in fact, a 8-4 vote would also meet the threshold. Abstentions are ignored. It makes no difference how many members are present, as long as the quorum requirement is met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Goldsworthy Posted January 15, 2016 at 05:58 PM Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 at 05:58 PM 19 hours ago, Guest John said: If a 2/3 vote is required for a motion,[...] Please clarify the context. Q. Are you referring to a parliamentary vote requirement from Robert's Rules of Order (like the motion, "Previous Question")? Q. Are you referring to a customized rule of yours which is demanding two-thirds of a vote or two-thirds of a body? I fear that you may be referring to a customized rule, and if so, then the customized rule might be worded in a way contrary to the default assumptions of Robert's Rules of Order. *** You know, like: (a.) "two-thirds vote of the board" is not the same thing as (b.) "two-thirds of the board". which is not the same thing as (c.) "two-thirds of the board members present" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted January 15, 2016 at 06:07 PM Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 at 06:07 PM "If you hear hoof beats, think horses, not zebras." He said the question required a 2/3 vote. Whence arises your fear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Goldsworthy Posted January 15, 2016 at 07:04 PM Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 at 07:04 PM 52 minutes ago, Gary Novosielski said: He said the question required a 2/3 vote. Whence arises your fear? "Gut feeling." The question was worded in such a way that it tingled my spider sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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