Guest William Alveshire Posted June 25, 2017 at 03:28 AM Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 at 03:28 AM Is there such a vote as an advisory vote rather than a yes or no vote? I assume the president wants an advisory vote rather than a yes or no vote so she can pursue the topic in negotiations with the village even if the so-called advisory vote states a definitive no vote. If there is such a thing as an advisory vote, can the president call for this or does the membership have to vote as to the type of vote they are voting on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted June 25, 2017 at 04:01 AM Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 at 04:01 AM If by 'advisory vote' you mean vote without binding effect, then no, such a vote is not in order at a meeting; it would be akin to a straw poll,which is prohibited. (What you do outside of meetings is none of RONR's concern, for the most part.) However, I suspect that might be exactly what you mean, since you say rather than yes or no, and such a vote would still involve voting yes or no. If that is not what you mean, can you please clarify further so I can understand your question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Goldsworthy Posted June 25, 2017 at 11:08 AM Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 at 11:08 AM The word "advisory" is used only once in RONR 11th edition (p. 465). And its reference has nothing to do with a vote. This scenario smells like a "straw vote" or "non-binding vote". Such things are dilatory under Robert's Rules of Order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted June 25, 2017 at 03:00 PM Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 at 03:00 PM (edited) This sounds like a straw poll to me as well. However, I would point out that the prohibition in RONR against straw polls is a rule of order which can be suspended by a two-thirds vote or a vote of a majority of the entire membership. I can envision situations where such a vote or poll could be beneficial in determining whether to proceed with certain negotiations, for example. I can also see how the whole issue of a straw poll can be avoided by someone simply making a motion that, for example, the president be authorized to continue with negotiations with organization B regarding subject XYZ and to report back to the assembly. Edited June 25, 2017 at 03:12 PM by Richard Brown Edited to remove "or a vote of a majority of the entire membership" in the first sentence. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Voting qualifications Posted June 26, 2017 at 05:02 PM Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 at 05:02 PM Regarding voting to a yes or no vote at a Lake district meeting comprised of lake property owners, who has the right to vote? In one home, how many votes would be permitted? Would it be just the owners on the title, one vote per home, or what? I am confused as to what is legal. Bill Alveshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Who's Coming to Dinner Posted June 26, 2017 at 05:11 PM Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 at 05:11 PM As to what is legal, ask a lawyer. As far as parliamentary procedure is concerned, only members are permitted to vote. Exactly who is a member should be defined in your bylaws (or Articles or CC&Rs or whatever you call them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted June 26, 2017 at 05:14 PM Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 at 05:14 PM Guest voting qualifications, I'm assuming you are talking about the same organization as the original poster. If not, please post your question by starting a new thread. The people who are eligible to vote would have to be determined by your own bylaws. Per RONR only members have the right to vote, but it appears you have customized rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted June 26, 2017 at 06:27 PM Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 at 06:27 PM On 6/25/2017 at 10:00 AM, Richard Brown said: This sounds like a straw poll to me as well. However, I would point out that the prohibition in RONR against straw polls is a rule of order which can be suspended by a two-thirds vote or a vote of a majority of the entire membership. I can envision situations where such a vote or poll could be beneficial in determining whether to proceed with certain negotiations, for example. If an assembly insists upon taking a straw poll, I would advise taking a recess rather than suspending the rules. This avoids any confusion as to whether the straw poll is the position of the assembly and also has the advantage of only requiring a majority vote. 1 hour ago, Guest Voting qualifications said: Regarding voting to a yes or no vote at a Lake district meeting comprised of lake property owners, who has the right to vote? In one home, how many votes would be permitted? Would it be just the owners on the title, one vote per home, or what? I am confused as to what is legal. Bill Alveshire Members have the right to vote. So far as RONR is concerned, it's one vote per person, but since this is an HOA, I would not be surprised if the organization's bylaws or applicable law provide otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Advisory vote Posted June 28, 2017 at 12:56 PM Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 at 12:56 PM In regards to the comments on the advisory vote I concur but I will have to prove my point. Can you tell me where in the RONR it states that an advisory or straw poll vote is illegal. Thank You very much, Bill Alveshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted June 28, 2017 at 01:24 PM Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 at 01:24 PM 27 minutes ago, Guest Advisory vote said: In regards to the comments on the advisory vote I concur but I will have to prove my point. Can you tell me where in the RONR it states that an advisory or straw poll vote is illegal. Thank You very much, Bill Alveshire RONR (11th ed.), p. 429 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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