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It would come up as unfinished business in the next meeting.

If there was no other main motion made after the one you are referring to (and there shouldn't be unless the Chair really messed up) then it falls under p 358 category a).  If another main motion was made after the first one then it would be p 359 category d) but then that means the Chair really screwed up.. 

In either case, a Point of Order should have been made originally that if unrelated issues need to interrupt disposing of the motion that there was no motion to Lay the Motion on the Table.

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To be technical,

until the chair STATES THE QUESTION and thus PLACES THE MOTION BEFORE THE MEETING, the motion has no status.

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So, in your case, if the motion kind of "fell through the cracks", then the cleanest solution would be "to let sleeping dogs lie".

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See page 32 of RONR (Handling of a Motion).

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Neither the making nor the seconding of a motion

places it before the assembly;

only the chair can do that,

by the third step (stating the question).

When the chair has stated the question,

the motion is pending, that is, “on the floor.”

 

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8 hours ago, SaintCad said:

So Kim in your opinion a Chair can kill a motion that has been seconded by simply not stating it?

 

If the chair fails to state the motion, I'd say a point of order to that effect should be raised, precisely because, if it isn't, the chair will have killed the motion by simply not stating it - at least, if the chair then moves on to other business.

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I agree with Mr Katz, but I think in order to answer the original poster's question we need to know what he meant when he said the discussion was interrupted. If the motion was being discussed (debated), then it was properly before the assembly and it would come up at the next meeting as unfinished business. The failure of the chair to State the motion is waived if debate ensues notwithstanding his failure to state the motion.

If the discussion which was interrupted was about something else, or if the original poster meant simply that before there was any debate another motion was made, then I believe the failure of the chair to state the emotion motion effectively killed it.:)

Edited by Richard Brown
Got rid of the emotion.
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On 6/25/2017 at 2:04 AM, hoangtrunglien said:

A motion has been seconded but chair let an unrelated question interrupt the discussion and the motion was never acted upon. what happens to the original motion?

O.P., would you tell us what you mean when you say discussion was interrupted? Exactly what discussion was interrupted? Was the motion at issue being debated?

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A reminder of real life.

Often, a suggestion of some kind (or here, an interruption of some kind) will obviate the goal/purpose/intent of a motion.

The resulting motion (or resulting action) may have the psychological effect on the chair's mind of distracting the chair, so that the flow of the meeting is pushed toward the "newer" idea, or at least pushed away from the "older" idea.

In such a case the "older" idea becomes moot. Typically, it no longer makes sense to "remember" the motion later, after the assembly has adequately handling whatever subject matter it was, in the newer way.

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Real life #2.

I have seen countless boards treat their very own meetings as one giant "committee" -- where there is rapid interchange of conversation, and, not surprisingly, the chair is NOT the party who is the "hub" of the verbal interaction.

In such a case, this kind of board meeting is turned into a "brain storm session" more so than a Robertian "deliberative assembly".

I am not saying that such a board is right. (Their efficiency is always lower than average, and their meetings are always longer than necessary.) But I am saying that countless boards do degenerate into a kind of anarchy, this kind of "free for all".

And when they do, their resulting motion is more or less a "Frankenstein's monster" of creation, and less so a Robertian textbook ideal.

The net result is that the "older" ideas, blurted out loosely and rapidly, become morphed (evolved? crafted?) into an adoptable motion.

It then becomes useless to ask what the parliamentary status is, of Dr. Frankenstein's original bits and pieces, and try to adopt those bits and pieces as if they were ready to adopt at the time of their discard-ment or their morph-ment (whatever direction they took).

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I do not know if the original poster's scenario is a match for my above scenario.

But statistically, if I were in Las Vegas, I'd bet money that it was. -- Because it so often is.

 

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