Renewals

[Jenn]

I have been ready RONR and I am still unclear on "renewals". Plainly speaking when are renewals applicable since a motion that has been disposed of cannot be brought back up before the assembly unless materially changed?  

[Hieu H. Huynh]

A defeated motion could be renewed at a later meeting. It could not be renewed at the same meeting.

[Kim Goldsworthy]

6 hours ago, Jenn said:

I have been reading RONR and I am still unclear on "renewals".

Q [...] when are renewals applicable

since a motion that has been disposed of cannot be brought back up before the assembly

unless materially changed?  

Q. Have you read "To Reconsider"?

Q. Have you read "To Suspend the Rules"?

Q. Have you read "To Amend Something Previously Adopted"?

There are at least two tools, and maybe three tools, which could be available at any given time, to re-entertain that which has been settled.

Add to that, certain incidental motions, which sometimes can be renewed by sheer passage of time (and passage of business).

[Jenn]

So, renewals are applied to defeated motions, rather than reconsideration of motions adopted?

Yes, I have had the opportunity to read Reconsinder-reconsidering something previously adopted and motioned by a member of the prevailing side.  

Suspend the Rules-2/3 vote in the affirmative

Amemd Something Previously Adopted-2/3 vote to change and action with certain stipulations.

Sometimes the writing in RONR is combersome and it is easy to lose the intent of the message when the subject matter is unfamiliar.  I just want to confirm that renewals ((38) relate to lost motions.

[Hieu H. Huynh]

Yes. Perhaps the In Brief book may be of use.

[Shmuel Gerber]

On 7/4/2017 at 9:51 AM, Jenn said:

So, renewals are applied to defeated motions, rather than reconsideration of motions adopted? . . .

Sometimes the writing in RONR is combersome and it is easy to lose the intent of the message when the subject matter is unfamiliar.  I just want to confirm that renewals ((38) relate to lost motions.

Yes, to lost motions -- and also killed motions (via Postpone Indefinitely or Objection to Consideration), but not motions that are withdrawn or that die for lack of being seconded.

[Setemu]

On 7/6/2017 at 7:56 PM, Shmuel Gerber said:

Yes, to lost motions -- and also killed motions (via Postpone Indefinitely or Objection to Consideration), but not motions that are withdrawn or that die for lack of being seconded.

Am I correct to assume that in a permanent society that goes through an established order of business, a motion killed at one meeting can be renewed with the same exact working at the meeting immediately following (c.f. p. 83, lines 25-30; p.336, lines 6-9).

Edited March 16, 2018 at 02:50 PM by Setemu

[Dan Honemann]

12 minutes ago, Setemu said:

Am I correct to assume that in a permanent society that goes through an established order of business, a motion killed at one meeting can be renewed with the same exact working at the meeting immediately following (c.f. p. 83, lines 25-30; p.336, lines 6-9).

Yes, provided that the meeting immediately following constitutes a new session, or a part of a new session.

Edited March 16, 2018 at 03:02 PM by Daniel H. Honemann
Added the last phrase.

[Richard Brown]

13 minutes ago, Setemu said:

Am I correct to assume that in a permanent society that goes through an established order of business, a motion killed at one meeting can be renewed with the same exact working at the meeting immediately following (c.f. p. 83, lines 25-30; p.336, lines 6-9).

Yes, that is correct, if the next meeting is a different session. In the case of a society with regular monthly meetings, each meeting is normally a separate session.

Edited March 16, 2018 at 03:03 PM by Richard Brown
Added everything after the first four words

[Setemu]

Thank you!