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Ok if a motion is made and seconded, can a substitute motion be made to replace it without the original motion being rescinded by Jose who made it?

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That depends because the substitute may be germane to the motion being substituted or it may not be.  Can you provide more detail about the original motion and the proposed substitute?

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Motion was made and seconded to proceed with half of a recommendation from our renovation committee at our church to not cut down the choir privacy panel.  The other half of the recommendation had to do with the cutting he privacy panel for the piano and organ area.  The substitute motion was that we kick back the entire recommendation to the renovation committee for more research on what other churches had done and what it looked like.  The ones who originally made the first motion were never asked about rescinding their motion.

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What you are describing sounds more like a motion to refer the motion back to the Renovation Committee to do more research.  A motion to Commit (Refer) does not require the approval of the original motion maker.  After a question is before the assembly it belongs to the assembly and they are the ones who decide how to proceed.

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Agreeing with Mr. Harrison, neither does a motion to amend (amend by substitution is a form of that motion) require the consent of the maker.  Once a motion is before the assembly for action, it belongs to the assembly, not the maker, and the maker's view is irrelevant.  For example, consider a motion "that Mr. X be censured for. . . . "  It is in order to amend it by striking "censured" and inserting "commended," although certainly the maker will not agree.

Amendment by substitution, like other amendments, must be germane.  It can only be done as a primary amendment.  It simply replaces the motion by a different motion on the same topic.  No consent is needed from the maker; it requires a majority vote.  

A pending motion, by the way, cannot be rescinded.  I think what you mean there is withdrawn.  Once it is before the assembly, it cannot be withdrawn by the maker either, except by consent of the assembly.

I agree with Mr. Harrison that, in this event, amend was the wrong motion, and commit should have been used (as least, from what I can see of the story).

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