budgets

[Guest shrubber]

Our COR states that upon approval/passing of a new budget, the members will be prorated their fair share of as long as it does exceed $x.

We have a seperate article that provides for amending the COR.

My question is that if a budget is passed that calls for $x + 10, does that constitute a change in the COR. Or do we first need to amend the COR to read not greater than $x + 10, then propose and pass the budget?

[hmtcastle]

Our COR states that upon approval/passing of a new budget, the members will be prorated their fair share of as long as it does exceed $x.

We have a seperate article that provides for amending the COR.

My question is that if a budget is passed that calls for $x + 10, does that constitute a change in the COR. Or do we first need to amend the COR to read not greater than $x + 10, then propose and pass the budget?

You'll need to amend the COR ("Church of the Redeemer"?) first.

[Guest shrubber]

You'll need to amend the COR ("Church of the Redeemer"?) first.

The Code Of Regulations

[Guest shrubber]

The Code Of Regulations

Can anyone point out where in roberts that clarifies this. Some here are of the opinion that if the budget passes as $x+10 that the members must pay. Others say that since the COR limits the dues to $x then a budget passed at $x+10 simply will put the association into debt because the members only have to pay $x. Does that make sense?

[hmtcastle]

Can anyone point out where in roberts that clarifies this. Some here are of the opinion that if the budget passes as $x+10 that the members must pay. Others say that since the COR limits the dues to $x then a budget passed at $x+10 simply will put the association into debt because the members only have to pay $x. Does that make sense?

A motion that conflicts with a bylaw is out of order. If you budget increase the dues beyond the prescribed limit, it's out of order. If it seeks to collect the extra money in another manner, that's a different question.

[Kim Goldsworthy]

Some here are of the opinion that if the budget passes as $x+10 that the members must pay.

Wrong.

If you adopt a budget, and that budget is conflicting with a previously adopted rule, then Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised [RONR 10th ed.] says that the later adopted motion is null and void, and that the earlier adopted rule remains in force.

Put the other way: Where an old policy and a new policy conflict, the old rule prevails, and the new rule suffers.

Others say that since the COR limits the dues to $x then a budget passed at $x+10 simply will put the association into debt because the members only have to pay $x.

Correct.

(a.) "To adopt a budget of $N"

is not the same thing as

(b.) "to amend the COR".

To amend one's COR, you must:

(a.) explicitly amend the COR, directly.

You cannot amend one's COR by:

(b.) adopting conflicting policies, conflicting budgets, etc., months later, years later, etc.

[Guest shrubber]

Wrong.

If you adopt a budget, and that budget is conflicting with a previously adopted rule, then Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised [RONR 10th ed.] says that the later adopted motion is null and void, and that the earlier adopted rule remains in force.

Put the other way: Where an old policy and a new policy conflict, the old rule prevails, and the new rule suffers.

Any help in a chapter or page number?

[Guest shrubber]

nevermind, found it at pg 332. Thanks, have a beer on me.

[Kim Goldsworthy]

have a beer on me.

Won't you be wet and sticky if I pour a beer on you?