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At a City Council meeting  (which meets monthly) a Resolution was presented.  A motion, 2nd and vote occurred.  We did not have all members present at the meeting and the vote ended as a 2-2 vote.  The Council would like to vote on the Resolution again at a future meeting, when all 5 members are present.  

Do they use a motion to Renew?  If so, is  there a timeframe required or advance notice needed?

Thanks!

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There is no "renewing".

There is just moving the identically-worded motion, again.

No need for fancy hoops to jump through.

No need for parliamentary jargon.

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16 minutes ago, Guest Amy said:

At a City Council meeting  (which meets monthly) a Resolution was presented.  A motion, 2nd and vote occurred.  We did not have all members present at the meeting and the vote ended as a 2-2 vote.  The Council would like to vote on the Resolution again at a future meeting, when all 5 members are present.  

Do they use a motion to Renew?  If so, is  there a timeframe required or advance notice needed?

Thanks!

There is no motion To Renew.  In order to renew a failed motion, you simply move it again at any future meeting.

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1 hour ago, Gary Novosielski said:

There is no motion To Renew.  In order to renew a failed motion, you simply move it again at any future meeting.

A tie vote is then failed motion, correct?

Does this mean that any failed motion can just be brought back up in the future at any time?

Is there a section RONR that says that if a motion doesn't pass it can just be brought up at the next mtg? 

What about the motion to Reconsider, is that suppose to happen?

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In the order you asked:

1) Correct

2) At any new session, yes.

3)  RONR (11th ed.), p. 336ff

4) No, that needed to happen at the meeting where the most failed in almost all cases, and it might not have done you much good.

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41 minutes ago, Guest Amy said:

Q1. A tie vote is then failed motion, correct?

Q2. Does this mean that any failed motion can just be brought back up in the future at any time?

Q3. Is there a section RONR that says that if a motion doesn't pass it can just be brought up at the next mtg? 

Q4. What about the motion to Reconsider, is that suppose to happen?

A1.) Correct.

A2.) Yes. Or more correctly, there is no prohibition to make the identical motion, given the correct parliamentary tool for that job. (Also, see quote from page 337 of RONR 11th ed.)

A3.) Yes. (See quote from page 337 of RONR 11th ed.)

A4.) The option, 'To Reconsider', is a time-sensitive parliamentary tool. Most of the time, you won't be needing this parliamentary tool.

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<< excerpt, page 337 >>

Two general principles govern the renewal of motions:

1) No motion can be renewed during the same session in which it has already been before the assembly, except where its renewal is permitted by a specific rule; and such a rule always implies circumstances under which the motion has in some respect become a different question. (For a discussion of the rules growing out of this principle, see Nonrenewability During the Same Session, and Exceptions, below.) Whenever it is stated without qualification that a particular parliamentary motion “cannot be renewed,” such a statement means that the motion cannot be renewed during the same session, or, in the case of a subsidiary or incidental motion, not during that session in connection with the same motion to which it directly adhered.

2) Any motion that is still applicable can be renewed at any later session, except where a specific rule prevents its renewal; and such an impediment to renewal at a later session normally can exist only when the first motion goes over to that session as not finally disposed of, in which case the question can then be reached through the first motion (see pp. 90-91, 340-41).

 

 

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On 3/9/2016 at 0:46 PM, potzbie said:

There is no "renewing".

 

22 hours ago, potzbie said:

<< excerpt, page 337 >>

1) No motion can be renewed during the same session . . .

2) Any motion that is still applicable can be renewed at any later session, . . .

Umm, so it looks like there is (yes) renewing, after all.

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I should have fine tuned my wording.

Try this.

"There is no 'renewing' as its own separate parliamentary action, but only in the dictionary sense of "to attempt again".

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23 minutes ago, potzbie said:

Try this.

"There is no 'renewing' as its own separate parliamentary action, but only in the dictionary sense of "to attempt again".

I tried it, and I don't like it. :)

Renewing a motion has a defined meaning meaning under parliamentary law. Try this:

On 3/9/2016 at 0:49 PM, Gary Novosielski said:

There is no motion To Renew.  In order to renew a failed motion, you simply move it again at any future meeting.

 

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9 hours ago, Shmuel Gerber said:

There is no motion To Renew.  In order to renew a failed motion, you simply move it again at any future meeting.

Well put. -- "There is no motion 'To Renew'.

 

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I have a different scenario where I am seeking advice. City Council meets every two weeks.  City Council debates an ordinance at one meeting. An amendment is offered that fails. After further debate, the body decides to postpone the ordinance to a date certain which is 2 City Council meetings in future. The ordinance is then taken up again at the subsequent meeting. The member who offered the amendment desires to offer the same amendment again. Does the postponement toll the time so that the member can move to reconsider or since it is a new meeting, can the member simply offer his amendment again?

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In your scenario, reconsideration is no longer applicable - it would have to have been made at the same meeting. But postponing a motion to two meetings in the future is not permitted under RONR. The motion can only be postponed to the next business session. But check to see if your council rules provide otherwise. If they don't, then the motion is dead and can just be made again at a future meeting.

I would say that under the stated circumstances,the motion to amend should just be made again at whatever time the main motion is taken up.

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