JAR Posted September 27, 2017 at 01:50 PM Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 at 01:50 PM I was giving a letter of reprimand due to a member I sponsered having been found in a violation of club rules. Specifically the letter says: as you are aware you are direcly responsible for the conduct of those members that you personal sponsor for the first year of their membership. No I was not aware, nor does it state that anywhere. I asked the board to rescind this letter due to the fact that is nothing in the bylaws, constitution, or standing rules stating that I am direcly responsible for the conduct of those members that you personally sponsor for the first year of their membership. Please advise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Goodwiller, PRP Posted September 27, 2017 at 02:03 PM Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 at 02:03 PM I'm not sure there's much we can do for you in this forum. This is a matter of your club's rules and how they are applied. You certainly deserve to at least be shown the rule that the letter says you violated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted September 27, 2017 at 02:04 PM Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 at 02:04 PM You could raise the matter at a meeting of members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAR Posted September 27, 2017 at 05:00 PM Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 at 05:00 PM I will add, I am on the board of officers, and I know for a fact there are no rules in our club that justify this action against me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Goodwiller, PRP Posted September 27, 2017 at 06:15 PM Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 at 06:15 PM 1 hour ago, JAR said: I will add, I am on the board of officers, and I know for a fact there are no rules in our club that justify this action against me. Ok. So, what did the Board do with your request? And for that matter, who issued or authorized the reprimand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted September 27, 2017 at 11:23 PM Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 at 11:23 PM JAR, nothing in RONR even so much as hints that a member is responsible for the actions of new members that he sponsors. Any such rule would have to be in your organization's own rules and I think such a rule would have to be in the bylaws, not in some lower level rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Who's Coming to Dinner Posted September 28, 2017 at 12:41 AM Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 at 12:41 AM Wait, you're on the board? The same board that voted to reprimand you? If that's the case, you could move to withdraw the reprimand, but you'd have to convince enough members to take your side. If you received the letter from some heavy-handed president (THAT never happens!), then you could move to countermand the president's action. Or you could even move to discipline the president for reproving you without authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintCad Posted September 30, 2017 at 05:05 PM Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 at 05:05 PM If the member was not notified of the vote then it is a continuing breach. Raise a Point of Order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAR Posted October 4, 2017 at 12:29 PM Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 at 12:29 PM On 9/27/2017 at 7:23 PM, Richard Brown said: JAR, nothing in RONR even so much as hints that a member is responsible for the actions of new members that he sponsors. Any such rule would have to be in your organization's own rules and I think such a rule would have to be in the bylaws, not in some lower level rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAR Posted October 4, 2017 at 12:31 PM Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 at 12:31 PM My motion to recind the letter of reprimand was tabled, and will be brought up again at this months meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpion Posted October 4, 2017 at 03:49 PM Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 at 03:49 PM 2 hours ago, JAR said: My motion to recind the letter of reprimand was tabled, and will be brought up again at this months meeting. I'm afraid that there is no such thing as a motion to rescind a letter of any sort, and a motion to rescind a motion authorizing the sending of a letter cannot be made after the letter has been sent. Perhaps if you would spell out exactly what motion you made (and which you expect to be brought up at your next meeting), persons responding here may be of greater assistance. It might also help if you would answer Mr. Goodwiller's question (which was, who issued or authorized the reprimand?). (Dan Honemann, disguised as Scorpion) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAR Posted October 15, 2017 at 06:53 PM Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 at 06:53 PM I was given a letter of reprimand voted on by the board of officers, all members have the right to come to the meeting to dispute the "disaplinary actions" handed out to them. I asked at the board meeting (held monthy) to move to withdraw the letter of reprimand , the president said he would check our bylaws and we would disscuss at the next meeting (today). Each board member said their opinion on it and although the board recognized that we do not have that rule in our bylaws nor anywhere else, that this "rule" has been moralized in the past. So they voted 4 to 2 that my letter of reprimand stays. I am not satisfied and highly dissapointed that this board did this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAR Posted October 15, 2017 at 07:19 PM Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 at 07:19 PM Our Bylaws state if a procedural motion arises not provided for in the constitution and bylaws, it shall be handled using Roberts Rules of Order... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintCad Posted October 16, 2017 at 12:29 AM Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 at 12:29 AM Time to start discipline procedures under your bylaws or Chapter XX. Tradition always fails against the actual rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Who's Coming to Dinner Posted October 16, 2017 at 12:43 AM Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 at 12:43 AM 5 hours ago, JAR said: Each board member said their opinion on it and although the board recognized that we do not have that rule in our bylaws nor anywhere else, that this "rule" has been moralized in the past. So they voted 4 to 2 that my letter of reprimand stays. Unless your bylaws give the board exclusive authority to issue such reprimands, you may move at a meeting of the general club members to order the board to formally withdraw the reprimand. It will be up to the members, by a two-thirds vote without notice, majority vote with previous notice, or a vote of the majority of all members, to adopt your motion. Remember, the board does not control or "run" a meeting of the members unless your bylaws say so, although I expect they will try to do that if they are at all typical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted October 16, 2017 at 01:28 AM Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 at 01:28 AM (edited) 6 hours ago, JAR said: I was given a letter of reprimand voted on by the board of officers, all members have the right to come to the meeting to dispute the "disaplinary actions" handed out to them. I asked at the board meeting (held monthy) to move to withdraw the letter of reprimand, the president said he would check our bylaws and we would disscuss at the next meeting (today). Each board member said their opinion on it and although the board recognized that we do not have that rule in our bylaws nor anywhere else, that this "rule" has been moralized in the past. So they voted 4 to 2 that my letter of reprimand stays. I am not satisfied and highly dissapointed that this board did this. It’s not entirely clear to me that a reprimand is a disciplinary action in the context of the rules in your bylaws. Even if it is, the board did meet again to give you an opportunity to dispute it, and they still voted to uphold the reprimand. Additionally, so far as RONR is concerned, an assembly can reprimand someone for whatever it wants. It’s not limited to violations of specific rules. Nonetheless, you may certainly bring this issue to the membership and try to convince them to countermand the board’s action. Edited October 16, 2017 at 01:34 AM by Josh Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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