Guest Evelyn Posted June 17, 2010 at 03:56 AM Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 at 03:56 AM If a a reconsideration is not seconded at the time that it is proposed, is it valid. Do you need a two-third vote in a reconsideration to overrule a previous vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. J! Posted June 17, 2010 at 04:14 AM Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 at 04:14 AM If a a reconsideration is not seconded at the time that it is proposed, is it valid. Do you need a two-third vote in a reconsideration to overrule a previous vote?The motion to reconsider "must be seconded at the time it is made." (RONR, page 309)It "requires only a majority vote". (page 309) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted June 17, 2010 at 04:15 AM Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 at 04:15 AM If a a reconsideration is not seconded at the time that it is proposed, is it valid. Do you need a two-third vote in a reconsideration to overrule a previous vote?As with any motion requiring a second, a Point of Order that there was no second would have to be raised at the time the motion to reconsider was made (p. 243).Reconsider requires a majority vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Evelyn Posted June 17, 2010 at 04:42 AM Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 at 04:42 AM For a reconsideration to be valid does it have to called up at the next meeting or can it hang on for meeting after meeting?The motion to reconsider "must be seconded at the time it is made." (RONR, page 309)It "requires only a majority vote". (page 309) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Goldsworthy Posted June 17, 2010 at 05:29 AM Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 at 05:29 AM For a reconsideration to be valid does it have to called up at the next meeting or can it hang on for meeting after meeting?Note that the rules for making the motion To Reconsider, and the rules for calling up the motion to be reconsidered, are different.Note also that the number of pages in RONR dedicated to this motion are the longest set of pages for any motion (pp. 304-324), exceed only by the pages dedicated to the motion To Amend (pp. 125-160). There are a lot of rules, here, for one motion which has no variations, unlike To Amend.You asked about the calling up.The Book says the calling up is possible only until the "termination of the suspension" has arrived.• For monthly meetings, that implies the next regular session. (Next month, typically.)• For quarterly meetings or semi-annual meetings, that implies before adjournment of the current session. (Same meeting, typically.)See page 312, subsection titled, "Calling up the motion to reconsider." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted June 17, 2010 at 09:38 AM Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 at 09:38 AM You asked about the calling up.The Book says the calling up is possible only until the "termination of the suspension" has arrived.• For monthly meetings, that implies the next regular session. (Next month, typically.)• For quarterly meetings or semi-annual meetings, that implies before adjournment of the current session. (Same meeting, typically.)See page 312, subsection titled, "Calling up the motion to reconsider."Well, not exactly. If meetings are held "quarterly", one would assume that no more than a quarterly time interval will elapse between sessions, in which event the suspension terminates with the adjournment of the next regular session and not with the end of the same session in which the motion to reconsider is made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted June 17, 2010 at 11:44 AM Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 at 11:44 AM If a a reconsideration is not seconded at the time that it is proposed, is it valid. Do you need a two-third vote in a reconsideration to overrule a previous vote?Note that the purpose of the motion to Reconsider is to bring back for further consideration a motion that has already been voted on. When adopted, the motion to Reconsider (unlike Rescind/Amend Something Previously Adopted) does not change the motion. The effect of adopting the motion to Reconsider is to place the motion to be reconsidered before the assembly again, just as it was right before the vote on the motion. It's designed to give the assembly another crack at the motion, through debate, amendment, or any other valid parliamentary means, or simply through another vote, and the assembly is free to vote exactly as it did the first time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted June 17, 2010 at 11:53 AM Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 at 11:53 AM Do you need a two-third vote in a reconsideration to overrule a previous vote?You might be looking for the motion to Rescind, which does require a two-thirds vote (or a majority vote with notice, or a majority of the entire membership). Reconsider cannot be applied to a vote from a previous session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted June 17, 2010 at 10:37 PM Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 at 10:37 PM Reconsider cannot be applied to a vote from a previous session.Well, it certainly can't be moved by the time the next session begins. There are circumstances, however, in which the motion to reconsider might not be called up until the next regular session, as Mr. Goldsworthy noted. (RONR, 10th ed., pg. 312, lines 10-15; pg. 310, line 28 - pg. 311, line 4) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Braemar Posted June 23, 2010 at 08:55 PM Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 at 08:55 PM related- if a publically elected board vote, on a motion "to extend the contract until ____." employee's contract.The motion fails. and the meeting ends,can the same motion be voted on again? (and again?)when is a motion to reconsider in order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmtcastle Posted June 23, 2010 at 09:04 PM Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 at 09:04 PM can the same motion be voted on again? (and again?)when is a motion to reconsider in order?A defeated motion can be renewed (made again as if never made) by any member at each and every subsequent meeting.The motion to reconsider must be made at the same meeting as the original motion and must be made by someone who voted on the prevailing side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Braemar Posted June 23, 2010 at 09:14 PM Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 at 09:14 PM i have to think about this. this would only apply to motions that fail. motions are made in the positive.motion to extend the contract... fails.was made at a special meeting to discuss the contract. can the motion be brought up at regular meetings? or only at another special meeting called for that purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmtcastle Posted June 23, 2010 at 09:18 PM Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 at 09:18 PM can the motion be brought up at regular meetings? or only at another special meeting called for that purpose?At either type of meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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