lipets Posted September 5, 2010 at 02:27 AM Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 at 02:27 AM Sec. x provides that, “Bylaws and Policies not inconsistent with this Constitution embodying additional provisions for the government of the xxx, Org., may be adopted by the Board of Trustees.”In addition, the Constitution, under Sec. y of ARTICLE ?, BOARD OF TRUSTEES, provides that, “The Board of Trustees the delegates shall have full authority to construe and interpret the Club's Constitution and Bylaws and Policy and may delegate this authority to its Constitution and Bylaws Committee.”The members and delegates have no vote, its all boards game.Help me show them them their evil ways.Is there anything that makes this improper according to the rules. the new bylaws committee wants to change it from board to delegates.how odd is this?Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted September 5, 2010 at 02:49 AM Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 at 02:49 AM Sec. x provides that, “Bylaws and Policies not inconsistent with this Constitution embodying additional provisions for the government of the xxx, Org., may be adopted by the Board of Trustees.”In addition, the Constitution, under Sec. y of ARTICLE ?, BOARD OF TRUSTEES, provides that, “The Board of Trustees the delegates shall have full authority to construe and interpret the Club's Constitution and Bylaws and Policy and may delegate this authority to its Constitution and Bylaws Committee.”The members and delegates have no vote, its all boards game.Help me show them them their evil ways.Is there anything that makes this improper according to the rules. the new bylaws committee wants to change it from board to delegates.how odd is this?JimFirst quote exactly what the Constitution says.Is the actually a strike through in the text, with different colors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lipets Posted September 5, 2010 at 02:53 AM Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 at 02:53 AM First quote exactly what the Constitution says.Is the actually a strike through in the text, with different colors?Strike and colors were showing the desired changes.exact text Constitution says The Board of Trustees shall have full authority to construe and interpret the Club's Constitution and Bylaws and Policy and may delegate this authority to its Constitution and Bylaws Committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Goldsworthy Posted September 5, 2010 at 02:58 AM Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 at 02:58 AM Sec. x provides that, “Bylaws and Policies not inconsistent with this Constitution embodying additional provisions for the government of the xxx, Org., may be adopted by the Board of Trustees.”In addition, the Constitution, under Sec. y of ARTICLE ?, BOARD OF TRUSTEES, provides that, “The Board of Trustees the delegates shall have full authority to construe and interpret the Club's Constitution and Bylaws and Policy and may delegate this authority to its Constitution and Bylaws Committee.”The members and delegates have no vote, its all boards game.Help me show them them their evil ways.Is there anything that makes this improper according to the rules?No. One's bylaws is were you get to override all the rules, all the safeguards, all the recommendations, etc., of Robert's Rules of Order.So, at least you guys are going about it the right way. The new bylaws committee wants to change it from board to delegates.How odd is this?Not odd.By default, all organizations start out being 100% general membership run, and 0% board run.(There is no board until one's bylaws define a board. And, of course, you have no bylaws either until the people agree to form an organization, and draft their bylaws, and freely join the organization they just created.)So it isn't strange to take away the power of interpretation from one's board (or never give the power in the first place).Now, whether the general membership should be supreme, or whether, as you say, "delegates" should be supreme, depends on other factors - e.g., frequency of meetings; allowance for special meetings, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lipets Posted September 5, 2010 at 03:04 AM Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 at 03:04 AM Kim,This is not a new Org, it is existingWhen I said new bylaws committee I should have said New Revision committee,These bylaws were last amended about 15 years ago.I'm trying to take some power away from the board.Since it is in the Board’s own interest to approve its own actions, an impartial review is unlikely and improbable as it reads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted September 5, 2010 at 03:58 AM Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 at 03:58 AM Kim,This is not a new Org, it is existingWhen I said new bylaws committee I should have said New Revision committee,These bylaws were last amended about 15 years ago.I'm trying to take some power away from the board.Since it is in the Board’s own interest to approve its own actions, an impartial review is unlikely and improbable as it readsWell, the board will have to choose to give up that power. You cannot take it away from them, unless you amend those bylaws.Two additional questions:A. Who gets to amend those bylaws?B. Who elects the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lipets Posted September 5, 2010 at 04:07 AM Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 at 04:07 AM Well, the board will have to choose to give up that power. You cannot take it away from them, unless you amend those bylaws.Two additional questions:A. Who gets to amend those bylaws?B. Who elects the board?Our special committee is revising them, reporting to the board in 3 months, if the board adopts the revised constitution and bylaws they will be voted on by the delegates three months later.We have about 5000 members thu out the US, Each delegate represents 35-350 members.The board is elected by the delegates for a 1 year term.Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted September 5, 2010 at 04:35 AM Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 at 04:35 AM Our special committee is revising them, reporting to the board in 3 months, if the board adopts the revised constitution and bylaws they will be voted on by the delegates three months later.We have about 5000 members thu out the US, Each delegate represents 35-350 members.The board is elected by the delegates for a 1 year term.JimElect someone willing to give up power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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