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Bruce Lages

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  1. Question - is there a simple way to quote only a portion of a lengthy response, or is it necessary to, having used the 'quote' feature, go in and delete all of the sections of the response that I am not going to refer to in my response?
  2. To be more accurate, it is not the request to withdraw a motion per se that needs to be seconded, it is the motion to grant permission to withdraw the motion - if made by the member making the request. And this is only necessary when the request does not receive unanimous consent.
  3. Yes, it should be 50:13(c). Thanks. (You mean your copy of RONR in paperback never turns the page by itself?)đŸ™‚
  4. Note also that when the chair is empowered to make appointments subject to approval (or 'advise and consent') by another body, the approving body can decline to accept one or more of the chair's nominees, but it can not insert it own names. If the chair's selection is rejected, the chair then offers another name to the approving body. After all of the chair's selections have been deemed acceptable, the motion is then made to accept the nominee, or the list of nominees, for appointment. See RONR, 50:13e.
  5. No. Once a motion has been made and seconded, it becomes the 'property' of the assembly after it is stated by the chair. The maker of the motion has very little control over what happens to the motion after it is placed before the assembly. Any member can move to amend the motion. There is a brief window - between the time a motion is first moved by the maker and before it is placed before the assembly by the chair stating the motion after it is seconded - when another member can suggest a change to the motion. In this case, the maker of the motion is free to accept or reject the suggeste
  6. In a roll call vote under RONR, it is correct that the secretary calls out members by name, in alphabetical order. For your convention, however, it is likely that the convention rules prescribe how your convention delegates ( conventions don't actually have 'members' per se) are defined and referred to. Check those rules to see whether the delegates are actually described in terms of their chapter and office positions.
  7. Based on the statement that I have bolded, I believe this provision in your bylaws will take precedence over RONR's conditions for removal of officers. That is, despite the absence of the 'or until their successors are elected' clause in your bylaws, your officers can be removed via a motion to amend something previously adopted; in other words by a 2/3 vote or a vote of a majority of the entire membership, or a majority vote with previous notice. If RONR is you parliamentary authority, an SOP would not be sufficient to overrule the voting requirements noted above. That rule would have to
  8. In general, yes, assuming the president is a member of the assembly that will hold the election. However, if this assembly is anything larger than a 'small board' (no more than about a dozen members) and the president is the presiding officer, he should not be making nominations in order to preserve the impartiality required of a presiding officer.
  9. Although you don't need to do anything, I think as a new chair, you can do much to gain the respect of your fellow board members if, at the next meeting, you acknowledge that you erred at the previous meeting by not calling for debate on the motion in question. You can do this as part of your report to the board, and at the same time, inform them of how they can amend or rescind the motion, if desired, assuming it passed previously. If this group qualifies as a small board (not more than about a dozen members), you could even provide previous notice yourself if you want to amend or rescind th
  10. What bylaws are you referencing in Question 1 of your original post? If the reference is to the International Constitution and Bylaws, then it seems to me that the quote you provide in Question 2 makes clear that the provision of those Bylaws regarding the parliamentary authority must override the reference to a different version of Robert's Rules in the Convention Rules of Order: "unless otherwise provided for in the International Constitution and Bylaws". The responses provided above by Mr. Martin and Mr. Brown make clear that any reference to 'Robert's Rules of Order' is defined in RONR it
  11. I would also add that you might consider Dr. Goodwiller's suggestion of an outdoor, socially distanced meeting specifically to resolve your hiring situation, which seems to be of immediate concern. I would also want to know how many members in your organization, and how many members constitute a quorum. In addition, a socially-distanced meeting is much more feasible if we're talking about a board doing the hiring, as opposed to the general membership. Is that a possibility, i.e., do your rules allow the board to hire an employee?
  12. Since RONR has no rules regarding attendance requirements - other than those requiring the presence of a quorum in order to validly conduct business - I don't think you will find your answer here. Any attendance requirements would have to be spelled out in your own rules.
  13. One pertinent question may be how did this motion that was 'up' next get put on the agenda in the first place. If it was on the agenda because a member had given previous notice of the motion, then that member is entitled to preference in recognition when the agenda reaches that point (42:13, 4f), and the chair should not recognize another member first. So, how did this motion get placed on the agenda?
  14. Aside from the parliamentary issues, do you really find it necessary to have a board of 10 members for an organization with < 45 members? Perhaps it would be easier to recruit board members (new ones especially) if you didn't need to find that many. It does seem to be an unusually large size board for your total membership, although granted that we know nothing about your organizational structure. Just thinking out loud.
  15. As to the other part of your question, I don't believe that RONR addresses the issue of acceptance speeches. You could look at it as a case where, once the results of an election have been finalized, the implied motion "that [blank] be elected" has also been carried out to completion, and therefore no further discussion on the matter is in order. However, RONR does say that an election becomes final only if the winner does not decline (46:46), so an acceptance is actually a key part of the election process. For an acceptance speech that goes beyond simply accepting the office or position,
  16. A definitive answer will depend on how the monthly meeting(s) was scheduled or called. Are these meeting schedules prescribed in your bylaws, or by adoption of a motion, or by a directive from your president or some other officer? Or by some other method? Please be specific.
  17. Nothing in RONR would prevent this. There would have to be something in your rules that addresses it.
  18. I'm afraid that RONR in Brief won't be much help in these circumstances - it only touches on disciplinary procedures in a very passing manner. The big book is necessary for this one.
  19. I would check your bylaws carefully to see how the quorum for this committee is defined. If it is described as a percentage of the membership (such as the default quorum in RONR, which is a majority of the membership), then one person holding multiple positions will not cause a problem. However, if it is defined as a set number of members, then one person holding as many as four positions out of seven may be a real problem for achieving quorum. As with voting, each person counts as one person only, regardless of how many positions he or she occupies, for determining quorum.
  20. Please note that the quote from RONR, 48:4(6) cited above should read "...except, normally, any that were withdrawn..." (A reverse 'not-hole'?)
  21. Apologies for the delay in response. No, I would not want to presume such an absolute inability to satisfy scope-of-notice restrictions. But, as experienced by the original poster, it seems that amendments by substitution are probably more likely to run afoul of scope-of-notice restrictions than other, less encompassing forms of amendment.
  22. For future reference I would just point out that a motion to substitute, i.e. to replace a pending amendment in its entirety with a completely different wording, is a perfectly proper form of amendment (see 12:69 and 12:70) in a situation that does not involve amending the bylaws, or where previous notice of a motion is required. A motion to substitute would be in order for a motion for which previous notice was given, but not required. In that case, however, adoption of the substitution would require a 2/3 vote rather than a majority vote because it would nullify the effect of the previous no
  23. I hope that these five positions are all different from each other in some way, as opposed to being five identical positions ( e.g., defined just as director, trustee, etc). While I don't believe there is any prohibition in RONR against one member holding two or more identical positions, it would make no sense whatever to do that.
  24. Are you sure that your bylaws don't say anything more about the procedure for their amendment? Do they really say nothing at all about previous notice or a vote threshold?
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