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Bruce Lages

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  1. Why would the committee need to suspend the rules to report their request that the parent assembly allow the use of Limit or Extend the Limits of Debate or the Previous Question? Couldn't that request be made directly?
  2. I would interpret the statement in RONR that "A committee may not adopt its own rules except as authorized in the rules of the society or in instructions given to the committee by its parent assembly in a particular case." (p. 500. l.25 - p. 501, l. 1) to mean that a motion to suspend the rules would not be in order in a committee.
  3. Let's hope that Preston will come back and clarify these issues. Preston?
  4. Is this re-vote process a rule of some kind in your organization?
  5. Just out of curiosity, since you have six 'regular' members and six ex officio members who do not count towards a quorum, how is your committee's quorum defined?
  6. Even if this new amendment was within the scope of notice, I'd like to know exactly what "the [original] amendment was removed from the table and discarded by a series of motions" refers to.
  7. I must admit that, although I have heard about members not attending meetings but being officially excused by some mechanism, this is the first time I have heard about a request for credit for absence from meetings that were never even held.
  8. An improper notice would change the answers given above. That would constitute a continuing breach as it would violate a rule protecting absentees (RONR, 11th ed., p.251, ll.20-21). The action taken would be considered null and void upon raising a point of order by the absent member, ot any other member.
  9. If the change to the agenda you want to propose is something that everyone might be agreeable to, you could also seek unanimous consent to make the change before the agenda is adopted.
  10. Yes there is. RONR, 11th ed., p. 572, ll. 2-4: "Members cannot be assessed any additional payment aside from their dues unless it is provided for in the bylaws."
  11. Guest Judith Lee - please post your question as a new topic, since it is not the same as the original question posted on this thread. Look for the black 'start new topic' box on the top right of the gneral discussion page. Thanks.
  12. Just be aware that whether you can have non-voting members leave the room will depend on how your bylaws define non-voting members. If, for example, they are defined as members having all rights except the right to vote, then there is no authority granted by RONR to force them to leave a meeting. Only non-members, and possibly members under disciplinary suspension, can be legitimately removed from a meeting.
  13. Although RONR does deal with disruptions during a meeting by members or non-members. If you feel that such behavior is disruptive, take a look at RONR, 11th ed. pp. 643-648, which deals with offenses and disruptive behavior during a meeting.
  14. A motion is never equivalent to a vote - they are two very different things.
  15. Since none of us (I presume) was there, it is not possible to answer that question. Certainly what should have happened is that the chair should have announced that the vote was now on the motion for the previous question (that motion is not debatable), and that the effect of an affirmative 2/3 vote would be to end debate and immediately bring to a vote the motion to adopt the resolution. It is the duty of the chair to make sure that the group knows what they are voting on and what the effect of that vote will be. But perhaps you can provide a little more information that will be helpful - wh
  16. If you are a member of the board, then the board has no right to exclude you from a board meeting, whether held in executive session or not. For a citation, you can use the first paragraph on p. 3 of RONR, 11th ed.
  17. Guest Donna - to be more accurate , you can rescind the motion, not the vote. It will take a majority vote if previous notice of the motion to rescind is given, or a two-thirds vote without previous notice, or a vote of a majority of the entire membership. As to how you handle the financial situation if the motion is rescinded, that will be for your group to decide. I would only suggest finding a fair and equitable solution.
  18. RONR does not address the details of Call of the Convention letters. However, pp. 618-624 of RONR, 11th ed. discusses in detail the role and functioning of the convention Committee on Standing Rules, which should provide much useful information relative to your specific issue.
  19. And since the motion to fix the time to which to adjourn takes precedence over the motion to adjourn. member B can move his motion (rephrased as stated by Josh) while member A's motion to adjourn is pending. But member B is not amending A's motion to adjourn.
  20. And, Carl W, once you have satisfied yourself that your new officers and directors are indeed elected, you (collectively) might want to think long and hard about that bylaw requirement. Let's say that, in a future election, the nominating committee again puts forth one candidate for each open position, nominations are called for from the floor, and none are forthcoming. So now you proceed to take a voice vote or show-of-hands vote. How will you conduct that vote? Will you only ask for all in favor? In that case, as long as somebody (even only one body) responds, your election is complete. But
  21. It seems like you may have answered your own question. In general, committees do not have to provide alternative proposals to whatever was referred to them. But you do have an obligation to report back to the assembly which referred the proposal to you - in your case, something like "the committee believes no further action is warranted on the referred proposal".
  22. Don't you just hate it when nouns get verbed?
  23. This raises a question I hadn't considered before. RONR does not address directly the issue of members who are absent when a roll call vote is taken. While there is certainly no question that the effect of being absent and being present but abstaining is identical with regard to the vote outcome (assuming the default RONR criteria for voting thresholds), these two situations might be regarded very differently from a constituent's point of view. I wonder if there's any merit to allowing an individual to be recorded as 'absent' to distinguish from them being present but abstaining as a means to
  24. I'm curious to know what you mean by "undertaking only such business as a quorum would allow".
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