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Gary Novosielski

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  1. Rather than print pages, I just reach for my physical copy of RONR.
  2. Yes, I use it on my PC as well. Search tip: If you're searching for a particular paragraph like 41:6, leave out the colon and search for 40 6 instead.
  3. I agree with @Daniel H. Honemann. While RONR does not prohibit combining such business into one meeting, doing so would have to be acceptable to both groups. The Management Committee can't force its way in.
  4. Weaponizing is one thing. Making up rules that don't exist is another. The president did nothing that would invalidate the vote. If they think it it did, ask them for the citation.
  5. RONR is not available as a pdf, but it is available in Kindle form, as is RONRIB ((Robert's) Rules of Order Newly Revised--In Brief) 3rd ed.
  6. Reading and approval of minutes happens at the beginning of each regular meeting. If there are corrections offered that anyone objects to, then a vote is taken, and the correction is either agreed to, or not.
  7. Another question, perhaps a line or two above the bottom, is the issue of electronic voting, which is only allowed if your bylaws permit it, and yet another question is how a chair can possibly "rule" anything outside of a meeting. RONR has a notice requirement which says that notice must be provided a "reasonable" time in advance. The definition of reasonable is left up to you. So you cannot argue that since the bylaws are silent, no notice is required. RONR says it is required. What you can debate is whether one hour is a "reasonable" time. I think there may be a difference between moving the time of the meeting to start earlier, as opposed to later. Suppose a meeting was changed to an hour earlier. Members could argue that they had plans that could not be canceled on an hour's notice. But if they say they could not make a meeting that was to start an hour late, are they saying that if they did attend, they would need to leave after an hour?
  8. No, the board is in charge of its own minutes, but again, by a majority vote, not by one person demanding it.
  9. If I have followed the details of what occurred, which can be iffy, the Chief's resignation was never accepted, and so the Chief is still the Chief. Apparently someone tried to move not to accept the resignation, which was an incorrect motion, since not doing something is essentially the same as doing nothing, i.e., the resignation would not be accepted whether the motion passed or failed. The proper motion would be to accept the resignation, and if you were opposed to doing so, to vote No on that motion. And New Business would be the proper time to do so. But as no motion was ever considered, the resignation was never accepted, and the resignation could be withdrawn, if it should please the Chief to do so.
  10. Actually you used the term Executive without the word Directors after it.
  11. Here's an alternate on-line source for PL https://archive.org/details/parliamentarylaw00robe/page/452/mode/1up
  12. It's president for more than just life, unless the Founding President has the foresight to resign before shuffling off this mortal coil.
  13. I would not agree that a motion was moved by a member, since the presentation was not completed, and the member was apparently not recognized. So all we have is a member shouting out some random words during a presentation. The chair should caution the member not to interrupt the speaker, and ignore the seconding member. And as others have noted, a negative motion is not appropriate. What should happen is that when the reporting member completes the presentation, he should move the adoption of the proposal, and that is the motion before the assembly. The rude person who was against the proposal should then seek recognition and debate against the adoption of the motion, and when the vote is taken, would presumably vote against it.
  14. Committee reports are normally in writing, and are filed, perhaps with the minutes, but they are not usually included in the minutes. They are not part of Good of the Order, but should occur earlier in the meeting, especially since they may contain recommendations, or recommended motions. The proper placement according to RONR is: immediately after Reading and Approval of Minutes, under the heading Reports of Officers, Boards, and Standing Committees. Reports of Special (ad hoc) Committees would come immediately after that. See: RONR (12th ed.) 41:5 et seq.
  15. It would be a good idea, in my view, to avoid using the word Executive as a noun, especially when it refers to more than one person. Since it is an adjective, it should be followed by a noun to which it refers: Executive board, executive director, executive session, executive committee, executive decision, executive secretary, or what have you. Since RONR does not use Executive as the name of a body, it makes it hard to fit this into the existing rules.
  16. And just as important is knowing the rules to begin with, so that you can recognize a bad ruling when you see one. In this case the chair might have been confused about motions that originate in committees. Such motions do not require a second, but they are just as debatable as any other motion.
  17. Nominations do not require a motion, a second, or a vote. When nominations are open, a member calls out I nominate Lauren Auder, and the chair replies Ms. Auder is nominated. As long as the person is eligible for election the chair must accept any nominations made. Nominations are debatable, however. So the chair should have allowed discussion on any or all of the nominees before nominations were closed. But note that the question at that time is not whether a given person should or should not be nominated. That has already been done. The debate is on the question of who should be elected.
  18. Not only did it not reach 2/3, it did not even reach a majority,
  19. RONR will not help you in this regard, as it grants no rights to non-members However if this Board of Education is a public body, Sunshine Laws will undoubtedly apply. Some states allow public attendance as observers only. others allow the public to make comments. In the latter case, it is almost certain that these comments would be heard during the course of a meeting, not after adjournment. A search for School Board Regulations, or School Board Ethics may turn up some useful information.
  20. In the meeting of any assembly, any decision of the chair may be Appealed from. Minor nitpick: the Membership meeting is chaired by the president of the society, not the president of the board of directors, although this is very often the same person. An appeal must be seconded, and then may be debated under special rules. The chair may speak in debate first, and last; other members may speak only once on the issue. It only takes one appeal, not three, to put the matter to a vote. When debate is concluded including the chair speaking a second time if desired, the matter is put to a vote as "Shall the decision of the chair stand as the decision of the assembly?" It requires a majority in the negative to overrule the chair. Appeals are covered in RONR (12th ed.) §24.
  21. But it should be noted that a Parliamentary Inquiry cannot be Appealed from, since it is not a ruling.
  22. The motion "to lay on the table" is rarely needed and therefore seldom in order in an ordinary society. If the purpose is to put the pending question aside until the next meeting, the proper motion to use is Postpone to a Certain Time. The question should then come up automatically at the next meeting. [see RONR (12th ed.) 14:13]
  23. That sounds open-and-shut to me. The minutes should provide clear proof. The question for the board is what discipline, if any, to impose.
  24. There's a lot of wiggle room in that statement. I have no idea what the "authority of our system" means. Presumably there was some written declaration of emergency by <some authority> that could be consulted to confirm that the president had such powers, and which spells out in particular how far those powers extend. If the rules in RONR apply, the whole thing is prohibited. So we hope there's some rule somewhere that supersedes the rule in RONR. The president presumably can provide the authority under which he "made it so".
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