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  1. If the bylaws require a vote by ballot the rule cannot be suspended. If the bylaws require their be a separate ballot for each office, would that be in the nature of a rule of order that could be suspended to allow for all offices on one ballot/
  2. If the bylaws set a condition and a penalty for not observing the condition, can the board adopt a rule adding to the conditions? For example The bylaws state a director who misses three meeting in a year is removed from the board. Can the board adopt a rule indicating lateness is also a cause for dismissal?
  3. I don't know. I just didi a cut and paste from a word file and it turned up as it is.
  4. Wouldn't: 1) the election of a secretary pro tem, 2) the motion to call the roll, and 3) the motion to obtain quorum constitute an agenda?
  5. Leo

    Point of order

    The original poster, Leo, that's me, was asking for a citation to support a required majority vote to allow proceedings to continue when the point is referred to the assembly because the chair is in doubt.. Daniel Honemann gave the citation on page 400, lines 5–7. Thank you!
  6. Leo

    Point of order

    Page 105, lines 8–12 “It is preferable to avoid a motion containing a negative statement even in cases where the effect ofthe motion is to propose that something be done, since members may become confused as to the effectof voting for or against such a motion.” A similar statement is made on page 105, lines 8–12, and both statements address the issue of putting the question so the affirmative vote will favor allowing the proceedings or allowing that something be done. Neither statement gives the required vote that is typically given in the 7thStandard Descriptive Characteristic. I believe that an affirmative vote of a majority is required to allowing the proceedings to continue as if the point had not been raised. But, in this case the 7thcharacteristic, unlike others, does not give the vote required, and I can find no other citations that actually give the affirmative vote required to allow the proceedings to continue.
  7. Point of order In cases where the chair, being in doubt, refers the point of order to the judgment of the assembly, the required vote is not prescribed by standard descriptive characteristic 7. 7 Is normally ruled upon by the chair. No vote is taken unless the chair is in doubt or his ruling is appealed. Where is the required vote given for determining if the point is well taken or not well taken when referred to the judgment of the assembly?
  8. A general statement or rule is always of less authority than a specific statement or rule and yields to it. Since the special rule of order makes a general statement about a speaker’s duration and number of times doesn’t it yield to the specific statement concerning a speaker’s number of times in and appeal?
  9. An organization adopts a special rule of order limiting debate to two minutes per speaker and twice to the same question on the same day. The adopted rule limiting debate to two minutes per speaker supersedes the general rule that a member an speak no longer than ten minutes. Does the adopted rule that a member can speak twice to the same question on the same day supersede the specific rule that in the case of an appeal only the presiding officer can speak twice, all other members being limited to one speech.
  10. Thank you. I figured it was not the best idea but wanted to give it a try. The notice went out and the deadline has passed. I asked the question too late.
  11. A notice is given of a special meeting before the next regular monthly meeting. It is important that certain records involving other organizations, such as the post office and the bank, be updated as soon as possible. Although a special meeting does not normally approve the minutes of the previous regular monthly meeting, would it be in order at the special meeting to suspend the rules and adopt the minutes of the previous regular monthly meeting.
  12. The board is subject to the annual meeting at which the budget was adopted as presented and the motion to adopt is silent on any conditions concerning the board's amending the budget or handling any unforeseen evens. If the office roof starts leaking seriously, or the organization runs into technical difficulties and needs legal assistance, what recourse does the board have? Is "any other spending prohibited"?
  13. What about this. A bylaw states, “The board is subject to the delegates at the annual meeting." The delegates at the annual meeting adopted the “fixed” budget as presented without amendment and with no additional wording addressing the board’s amending the budget, or authorizing expenditures not included in the budget, or reallocating funds in the budget. A later bylaw, the one previously quoted states, “Matters affecting the policies and means of accomplishing the objectives of the organization not otherwise provided for in the bylaws shall be vested in the board” It seems to me the later bylaw negates the whole idea of the board’s being subject to the delegates at the annual meeting as stated by the first bylaw. If this is the case, there is no reason for the delegates to adopt the budget that was prepared by the finance committee and presented at the annual meeting; and in addition, there is no reason for the delegates to adopt any motion at the annual meeting since the later bylaw seems to allow the board to rescind or amend something previously adopted by the delegates.
  14. It is moved and seconded to adopt the budget [presented]. The board shall be the governing body and direct the policies of the organization. Matters affecting the policies and means of accomplishing the objectives of the organization not otherwise provided for in the bylaws shall be vested in the board.
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