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Are there ever too many changes in one motion to amend?
Tom Coronite replied to Tomm's topic in General Discussion
Do you mean to strikeout "waived" there? The resulting "...unless readings are by a two-thirds..." seems to be missing something. -
While I certainly understand the explanation of why the "re-vote" was improper, if that's what they did, why would it not be recorded? Shouldn't the minutes reflect what was done, even if it was improper? And then let a point of order be raised, and record that? I am in complete agreement that the original vote should've stood. I'm just having a hard time ignoring the improper action they apparently did, in fact, do.
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When must the presiding officer pass the gavel
Tom Coronite replied to a topic in General Discussion
After reading Mr. Martin’s most excellent and thorough reply, I’m thinking my original reply came off as rather snarky. That was not my intent at all. I do apologize. -
When must the presiding officer pass the gavel
Tom Coronite replied to a topic in General Discussion
It might strike some as odd that an assembly would concern itself with the ins and outs of temporarily relinquishing the chair, while not being concerned with the principle that the required impartiality of the chair would suggest he not be seconding motions. -
Still not entirely clear, because you’re not giving any info specifically about who is on this board. They’re elected for 3 yr terms. OK. But are those officers on this board? If they’re not members of the board (elected, appointed, ex officio, or somehow), and we’ve not yet been given any evidence that they are, they don’t vote at board meetings.
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Your group can do almost anything if it wants to. You could even specify in your bylaws that the chair has authority to set an agenda. I’m fully confident no regular participants in this forum would recommend doing that, but since you asked, yes you could. Indeed, the better course of action, and more in line with what RONR suggests, is what Mr Brown and Mr Kapur have explained.
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I’d say we are in agreement! 😁
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How are those 30 members chosen? Do your bylaws address that? That will likely answer whether or not those officers you mention are members of the board. From what you posted, it’s not clear if they are.
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Perhaps raising the issue as a motion under “New Business” would work, especially if no action has been taken to date. If you use an agenda, it’s not “set” until approved by the assembly.
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when is a bylaw amendment and amendment?
Tom Coronite replied to ptc122's topic in General Discussion
What are you saying? That a motion was made that (accidentally, perhaps) complied with the requirements for a bylaw amendment, but just wasn’t identified specifically as a bylaw amendment? Is that what not using “standard approach” means? -
In addition to the sections Mr. Kapur provided, see 50:24 which references committees keeping brief memoranda in the nature of minutes, for committee use.
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Anyone can ask anyone else anything, but nobody can be compelled to vote. Your examples are of a small board, so under those rules, the chair can vote. The chair could also choose not to vote, if he’s so inclined.
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When did this policy actually take effect? According to RONR, a motion takes effect upon its adoption, absent a rule or provision to the contrary. It’s not entirely clear from what you describe, but if a motion to adopt this policy wasn’t made until Jan 1, you may have your answer.
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She tell you that herself? 9:27 speaks to the reading and approval of minutes of executive sessions. Hard to read/approve what doesn’t exist. 😉
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Does the person who seconds a motion have a vote?
Tom Coronite replied to Garry Luttrell's topic in General Discussion
Membership generally confers certain rights, including being able to attend meetings, make motions, debate, and vote. If you’re a member of the group meeting, you generally have the right to vote, unless your rules (I don’t get what a GSR is/does) say otherwise. -
But what you’ve quoted in the original post mentions bylaws only, not standing rules.
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Questionable church board practice
Tom Coronite replied to Brother Seamus's topic in General Discussion
As Mr Mervosh has said, it violates no rule in RONR. To add on, if the secretary/treasurer is an ex-officio member of the council (which I suspect to be the case), there may be times when s/he is in a position to vote on compensation for the choir director. In such a case, while the council member cannot be compelled not to vote, RONR states that member should not vote, if s/he has a monetary interest in the matter that is not common to the other council members. -
Generally speaking, the parliamentarian would not be addressing the assembly. The chair would be the one speaking.
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I would think that’s up to your membership to determine, as it’s your rule, and not one found in RONR.
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Motion not allowed to bring forward during meeting.
Tom Coronite replied to a topic in General Discussion
If it’s a meeting of the membership, the board members are not there as the board, but rather they are there as members, unless your own rules provide otherwise. -
Motion not allowed to bring forward during meeting.
Tom Coronite replied to a topic in General Discussion
You won’t. Is such a rule in your bylaws? You don’t specifically say if this is a meeting of the membership, or a meeting of the board. Which it is likely makes a difference as to whether you can make a motion, as it appears you’re not a board member. I apologize if I inferred that incorrectly. What you want to bring up sounds more like a question than a motion. -
Fair enough. I suppose, then, I’m left to wonder why “should not vote” is even in there. I didn't see anything in the OP that the member was being prevented from voting.
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It’s more was the OP correct in what she describes as a “push” to let the member vote. I’m not sure pushing for something RONR says should not happen is best.
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Pointing out that a member should refrain from voting, versus pointing out that a member cannot be compelled to refrain from voting, perhaps is a matter of emphasis. But while I see the accuracy of both opinions expressed above, it does seem one’s emphasis is more closely aligned with the wording in RONR, to me anyway. Definitely worth no more than 2 cents, and likely even less. 🙂