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  1. I’ve tried. It is truly challenging.
  2. Recently, a board member shoved another board member while returning from a meeting recess. Is this a matter that would be handled by police, the board, or both? The police were not called when it happened, but can the board remove the member for this kind of behavior? The by laws say nothing as far as discipline.
  3. I’m not sure I understand your question. Are you asking if I could dispose of the person who has cried a few times, would I?
  4. From the board. I don't think she was trying to disturb anyone, but just the same. She always has some excuse. My dog just died. My mom just died. My husband left me. I lost my job. I lost my car. I have cancer... It's always something.
  5. If one of my fellow board members had broken down crying in a recent meeting, and when apologizing for it, told us she had a health issue that was adversely affecting her, would it be a violation of decorum if I asked aloud if she could be removed from the board for having such a health issue?
  6. And if no such power has been granted?
  7. I guess in the consideration that Executive Session is only being used for its intended purpose, the idea it all stays secret is no issue.
  8. That seems ridiculous. if abuse of a person, or a tarnishing of their name happens in Executive, in my opinion, it should not have to be kept secret, if it was about someone else? That’s one thing...but if it was about themselves, and so it’s their own “information”... especially since it had already been discussed previously elsewhere... Seems wrong. Also, what if the use of RONR was discussed in Executive... a question of how to use point of order for instance...now it becomes a secret topic? Nothing of it can be repeated? That did happen, and the idea that now its top secret it ludicrous.
  9. They did not adopt a rule. The lawyer told them they should tell me if this restriction, and they said to put that in the letter as well. The reason why I don’t think they could adopt such s rule is because RONR doesn’t deal with communications of this kind, there is nothing in the by laws that covers this, and there’s no authority given anywhere for this kind of restriction.
  10. I guess sometimes, I keep expecting a loophole to emerge that somehow was not apparent before.
  11. was under the impression that someone like a hired vendor such as a manager, could only crrtain things if directed to do so by the board.
  12. I guess I’d have to go back and read to know for sure.
  13. I guess... never? And with that logic, it would never override state law either, correct ?
  14. When you say “expulsion”, do you mean the board itself can vote a board member out by a two-thirds vote, even if the by-laws specify a specific (and different) requirement for removing a board member from being a “board member”? And furthermore...if RONR overrides the By-Laws, can they do such a thing without a trial?
  15. Singling one member out and making a special rule for them that applies to something as important as communication with their board member peers, seems like a kind of discrimination to me. As far as the bylaws are concerned, because I have read through them several times, and I can’t find anything in RONR that would allow this, it seems like that power cannot be created, to allow to make a special rule for just one member.
  16. State laws, I have been told, override anything in RONR. So for instance.,, if a state law says that a board is only authorized to discuss, let’s say, five specific and well-defined topics, and is otherwise violating the law if they discussed anything else, then if “anything else” was discussed, it would be in violation of the law, and as far as the State is concerned is not considered protected or confidential information, since it does not fit within the confines of the specifically authorized topics. But of course I agree about the legal vs parliamentary thing.
  17. We use small board rules, so she speak in debate, as well as gives long speeches before anyone else can talk, about how she feels about something, and also votes.
  18. A special rule has been imposed on me that says all communication that I want to have with other board members, has to include her, if it’s email, which is how many communicate these days. I have no idea if this rule applies to other members. i believe this is her way of controlling communication, as she can then privately tell the others not to respond, before any of them do. Her goal, I think, is for me to have zero access to, and zero communication with, the other board members, outside of meetings, to the net effect of me having zero allies.
  19. If a person is accused of something by another board member, or by a manager, or by an invited guest, during Executive Session, do they have the right to speak of it freely, since they were the one accused of some wrong? Also: what if the accusation was untrue, and there was proof of this? Also: if a person shares some personal detail about themselves in some way during Executive Session, and it has nothing to do with board jurisdiction, (nor an authorized executive session topic, as far as local laws go), and someone else makes an indecourous comment about that person in response, (and it is not called out by the Chair, and the Chair, in fact, then joins in and makes several indecorous remarks about that person as well), is the person who the remarks were made about required to keep that exchange a secret, since it was in Executive Session?
  20. Guest LRB, what your local “sunshine” or open meeting laws say about Executive Session and what is considered “confidential” information might be of importance as well. If a typically open meeting topic is discussed in Executive Session, it might not be considered that which is required to be kept confidential. (That is not really about parliamentary procedure though, but what your state or local laws say). Adding: It may really depend on what they spoke about. Did they expose someone’s personal contact or address information, for example? Someone’s financial information? Details about a pending contract? Details about a pending lawsuit? Details about leins, foreclosures, or payment plans? This is the kind of information that many states list for HOA boards, for example, as what must be kept confidential that is spoken about in executive session. Again... this has not much to do, if anything, with parliamentary rules, but with your local, or state laws. Not all boards adhere to their local laws. Activity that violates the law, and this is pure speculation, I’d guess (as a non-lawyer type person) would not be protected, or expected to be kept confidential. (Might want to ask at a legal advice forum)
  21. When you say “expulsion”, that must be limited by what the by-laws say, correct? If the by-laws, for instance, say nothing of “expulsion from the membership” as an option, and that the only way to “expel” someone (let’s say a board member from an HOA board) is to use the guidelines to remove them by a vote of the membership (the homeowners) then that is the only “expulsion” possible, correct?
  22. In presenting a matter to an assembly, is it ever available to the presenter for them to ask to hear from the assembly first, before the Chair?
  23. No Bylaws mention on discipline. Removing a board member or the whole board by the vote of the membership is the only thing mentioned. RONR is our adopted Parliamentary Rules.
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