sirbuilder99

Hi Forum. Can someone please point out where in RR's 11th edition it refers to voting by phone then the need to follow-up with an actual Board vote the next time the Board meets? Hypothetical situation: What happens if the phone vote due to time constraints was very positive, then if a full Board is not present at the next meeting and the naysayers win and the follow-up vote is then negative? Thanks for any input. Mitchell

I got it!! And yes I see it referenced. This is what happens when a union has some "wise-guys" in it that want everything in writing or else they use it against you. All very good points to make. Thanks to all who commented.

Those sections appear not to specifically state that the motion becomes effective upon ratification / approval; but I also understand the other points..... if not then, then when? Some argue upon approval of the minutes which we all know is not correct. Part of the argument for charges is so that this won't happen again. if nothing is done, then as a Body we are saying it's alright to ignore motions if you are the president as long as you get your quorum goon-squad of a Board to rescind it sometime in the future by calling special meetings when you know the majority of the Board members will probably not show.

That would be appreciated, thank you.

I have a bunch of morons in a leadership role in my Local and they will say anything to protect their interests and rear ends, including lying; they always ask, where is it written to challenge those in the "know.". I'm just looking for something in writing from a voice of authority that demonstrates that all motions become effective when they are approved. Thanks to you and Jstackpo

Joshua, Do you know where in RRs is the clause that approved motions are effective immediately?

Thanks for your response. The special session was called by the president for the purpose of rescinding motions affecting his actions and he could have brought up these rescinding motions at regular Board meetings but he wanted a sure thing; knowing that a majority of members would not show up for a special meeting after the regularly scheduled meeting had been held earlier in the month, the vote was approved 9 yeas against 2 nays. There are about 35+/- members on the Board with a quorum of 12 required; there were 2 abstentions in the vote to rescind. Charges have been filed and we are in the middle of the hearing before the national union. Some of us want justice in that the president should have immediately signed the back cards and the checks, but he outright refused to do so.

Hi Forum, 1) Can someone point to the page in the 11th Edition where it states that motions take effect the moment they are approved unless there is language in the motion that states otherwise? 2) I belong to a union where the Body approved a motion (on July 8th 2015) directing the Local's President to go to the bank and to sign the union's signatory cards so that he can execute union checks; up to then over the first 2 1/2 years of his administration, he refused to sign the signatory cards and no bank checks. Six (6) months later (on January 13th, 2016) he got the Body in a special session to rescind / overturn the motion directing him to sign the bank signatory cards. He is now claiming that since the original motion was rescinded, his refusal to start signing checks is not now a chargeable offense and that he is not in violation of the approved motion. Others are saying that since the motion became effective immediately upon approval, he should have signed the bank signatory cards back then along with all the bank checks, and the date of the rescinding of the motion would be the date allowing him to stop signing the checks; hence he was in violation of the approved motion for the previous 6 months. Note, the rescinding motion DID NOT make reference to any "retroactive date" or that the President was forgiven for his refusal to signing the signatory cards and bank checks upon the time the original motion was approved back in July 2015. Who is / are correct in this scenario? Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Mitchell