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Benjamin Geiger

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  1. Only in the colloquial, incorrect sense (where the term "order of business" better fits).
  2. I interpreted the original question as: "How do we handle situations where the handwriting on the ballot is obviously not the person whose signature appears on the ballot [potentially raising questions of forgery]?"
  3. Signed ballots are a thing, no? Treated like a roll call vote?
  4. As I understand it, the chair walked away in order to effectively "run out the clock" and prevent further discussion on a group of resolutions (I'm not sure whether anyone attempted a Division of the Question). They also only allowed five minutes for discussion, but I haven't heard any confirmation on whether that part was done properly. The issue is (again, as I understand it) that the meeting was effectively unchaired (de facto unilaterally recessed?) for much of the time that was allocated for this particular discussion, so nobody could debate the motion (or amend it, or call to divide the question). It should be noted again that I wasn't there; if I had known there would've been this much drama, I would have been there to lend my meager parliamentary skills. Really, the main reason I asked for the proper wording (aside from wanting to know for future reference) is so I could make a snarky comment about what should have actually happened instead of "peace out, fend for yourselves".
  5. Suppose that the chair needs to step away from the lectern for reasons unrelated to the meeting itself*, turning over control of the meeting to a vice-chair. How would this be properly worded? Also, would the restriction on page 395, lines 15-18, apply, since they didn't relinquish the chair for reasons of lack of impartiality? * Apparently, the chair walked away and refused to acknowledge dissent, claiming the next day that he needed to use the restroom. I'm hearing most of this secondhand, but it sounds as though there's no way to properly describe what actually happened without using the word "cluster". (I've been thumping RONR pretty hard, trying to get people to learn it so this doesn't happen again. I would've gone myself if I had been able to get time off of work.)
  6. If I understand this Wikipedia article correctly (keeping in mind I am not a lawyer, copyright or otherwise), anything published before 1924 (which includes Parliamentary Law, published in 1923) is already in the public domain in the US.
  7. Unless your bylaws say otherwise, all you have to do to abstain is simply not vote. In fact, during or after the vote, there is no opportunity to demand or provide an explanation; the proper time to explain is during the debate (and explaining why you're abstaining is a bit odd to begin with).
  8. I presume the group could adopt a special rule of order to prohibit the motion being brought up again, if it so chose?
  9. Unless your bylaws or applicable law state otherwise, it takes a 2/3 vote, or a majority vote with prior notice, or a majority of the entire membership.
  10. Amen, brother. Gooble gobble.
  11. In some cases, even that won't be enough. If memory serves, in Florida, even two people on a board discussing the business of that board is considered a "meeting" and minutes must be made available. Other states are likely to be similar. In fact, if you go by the law in Florida as written, I shouldn't have been allowed to have a whiteboard in my office as an employee of a county school board, since anything we wrote was considered "public documents" and must be made available to the public on request.
  12. If they rule against your Point of Order, you can Appeal. During the appeal, you can lay out your case (including explaining the rules in question) to the membership (through the Chair, as usual).
  13. Presumably your bylaws specify a method for amendment (and if not, it's Amend Something Previously Adopted).
  14. As I understand it, "in the chair" is not a physical location, but rather a status. If your President is in a position where he can be seen and heard by the members, then he can still be considered "in the chair". Individual organizations may have rules or traditions on the matter (Toastmasters, for instance, usually has a tradition where the lectern is never left unattended) but as far as I'm aware RONR doesn't.
  15. I'd assume that the exception is so you don't need an executive session at every meeting from that point on? (I'm a coder. This is just how my brain works.)
  16. Assuming your bylaws don't say anything on the matter, you may find RONR FAQ #20 of interest.
  17. Wow. I thought our bylaw (in our parent organization's bylaws, so we can't do anything about it) requiring a vote of 2/3 of the membership to remove an officer was onerous. I'm fairly certain 2/3 of the membership has never been in the same room before.
  18. Years ago I was given career advice, for what to do when your workplace is unpleasant: you can change your organization, or you can change your organization. It applies (in most cases) to societies, as well. It may be unpleasant (as in the case of HOAs), but it can usually be done. No amount of parliamentary procedure will save an organization from itself.
  19. I fixed the link. Pretty much the ones in the question. The subject of the censure is an ex officio member of the organization by virtue of being an elected official in a district in our county who is registered with our party, but that wasn't entirely certain at the time (I checked the bylaws later). The objector claimed that he would be fine with a statement of disapproval but not a motion to censure, and wouldn't give me a straight answer when I asked what he thought the difference was; he gave some claim about how Congress can only censure its own members (false, I might add, and moot). And since we're a subordinate body, he claims that the parent needs to do the censuring (which, of course, my resolution encourages).
  20. Who can an organization censure? Can we censure someone who isn't technically a member of our organization? Can we censure someone who is required to be a member of our organization by law or bylaws? Specifically, can we censure someone who holds state-level elected office? What is the effect of a motion to censure? Is it simply "we disapprove of what this person has done" or is there more? Does a motion to censure in an ordinary society differ from one in a legislative body? As a subordinate entity (a county-level chapter of a state-level political organization), do we need our parent organization's permission to censure someone? I apologize for bringing the subject back up, but when I attempted to bring up a motion to censure (the one I asked about here), another member continually claimed that it was improper for several reasons, and I'd like to have an answer to their objections available before attempting it again.
  21. My county (in Florida) does this. Our county Supervisor of Elections also performs random hand-recounts in order to ensure the accuracy of the electronic vote. (I'd prefer that the actual result be hand-counted in its entirety, but...) Another is to have the voting machine print out the actual ballot, which then gets put into the ballot box, but in the words of Tom Scott: "Congratulations, you've just invented the world's most expensive pencil." Most of his concerns aren't necessarily applicable at the scale of an ordinary society, granted. But they're worth hearing and considering anyway, because some of them are.
  22. I don't know if this is possible with the current forum software, but I would like to see a system where, after a thread has been dormant for a given time, only the existing participants in a thread (or an admin) can 'revive' it. It feels like this is a suitable compromise between guests performing thread necromancy and allowing for evolving situations.
  23. It sounds to me like it was interpreted as a motion to Adjourn. That said, there should have been a vote on the motion (it requires a majority). As I understand it (and I'm certain the more qualified members here will correct me if I'm mistaken), any General Orders, Special Orders, or Unfinished Business for the "cancelled" meeting should be taken up at the next meeting.
  24. A caching issue, perhaps? It comes up with a "Page Not Found" page here.
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