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been gone for a while... see if i get this right...... in our group we have what we call "guidelines/policy" it is the rules that we have been using for 6 years to run our meetings........ we voted to start using ronr ..... we have not to date made any changes to our "guidelines/policy" i say that untill we make changes we are under the standing "guidelines/policy"..... when we make changes to our "guidelines/policy" then ronr rules will be used..... but only after the "guidelines/policy" are changed........................ hope i have put this in clear wording thanks for any help

#1'''under "voting" "#2 if there is only one nomination a vote of acclamation is taken, if the vote is not unanimous, the position goes back to the groups for further nominations." #2'''' "co-faciliator, responsibilities, 'this is a 2 year commitment in office, the first year spent serving as the co-facilitator and the second year as the facilitator" these are 2 of the most fought about items..... i do not see how any sane person can not understand them..... last year i was voted out of the facilitaror postion because of the bulling and intimadation by the 'ruling group' they forced the electation of a person who had never been a co-facilitaror and never been in office in our area.... #3... under facilitator qualifications it states 'service experience active for at least one year in the "na service structure"" in the four years i have been active it the na service structure she never held a office nor did she even come to any area meetings..... this is the person that i am having to deal with not..... i am a group reprecentive and only have one vote.... or 5 groups.... again she and the ruling group are trying to vote in someone that does not qualif for the office.... she says that we are using ronr .... we did vote to use them but i say that untill we chang our guidelines/policy to reflect that we are to use the g/p...... if i lose the argument of a vote of acclamation i will have to fight the 2/3 vote that she is trying to jam down our throuts..... it is clear that she does not know 4 th graid math.... as she asys that a vote of 3 yes and 2 nos passes the vote..... that is not right as 3/5 + 0.60, and 2/3 = 0.66666666/or 0.7..... in order to have a majority vote there must be 4 yes not 3.... hope this is ok for you to help me

they state how we conduct bussines voting election of officers

our gidelines/policy is what we have used for over 4 years as the rules that we use to goveren our meetings

looking over the comments above i would like to ask if some one could tell me where in ronr it is stated that if there is a set of guidelines/police in place that ronr does not over ride them... unless the guidelines/policy is changed to shown the ronr change..... is it in ronr for dumines please help as i have to present my caes before the meeting in a little over a week

we are a "narcotics anonymous" group in other wards a bunch of recovering addicts.. and a lot do not know anything about flowling rules... some can not understand plain english.....some like me do not spell very good....... i was a formen and general-formen so know a lot about flowing the roles....

saint cad they are called "guidelines/by-laws" they are used for all metting for the last 4 years....... but when the "ruling group" does not like what they say they buley there way with shouting and or intimatation.... some of us are tired of this and are trying to force that we use the guidelines to the letter............ there are 5 groups that make up our area and the ruling group has 3 groups in their pocket it makes it had for 2 groups to get any thing changed.......... with 2/3 voting they say that 3 votes wins... but that is 3.33 for 2/3..... it is not what i say.... i think they need 4 groups to have the win as 3.333 is not 2/3 win

we have 5 groups she says that 3 yes and 2 nos is as close to 2 thirds as we can get,

i an sorry about the cps i forgot to turn then off again...THE GUIDELINES say ""IF THERE IS ONLY ONE NOMINATION A VOTE OF ACCLAMATION IS TAKEN, IF IT IS NOT UNANIMOUS, THE POSiTION GOES BACK TO THE HOME GROUPS FOR FURTHER NOMINATIONS."" PLEASE SEE MY POST FROM ABOUT 5 HR AGO. sorry again for the caps i am not shouting... what is going on is the chair has her pet up for office and she knows that a vote of acclamation by the groups will be 3 yes and 2 no. that would not be unanimous..... she is trying to force a 2 thirds vote that way her pet will be voted in...... we are using rroo but i say that what the guidelines say is the way we are to go, not her way....... just because she says so.......

sorry i always use caps because i hate having to try and remeber when to cap or not... i am not a very good writer.... i was using the spelling in our guidelines...... sorry again about the caps..... we have 5 home groups in our area, we have used a vote of acclamation when this happens( this may not be proper but that is the way the guidelines were writen. you need to know that we are narcotics anonymons and do not always get things right).... the home groups are the only voteting members... i know that our guidelines are not very good and when i was the co-facitiator in 2016 i did my best to have some changes made to them...... but the "ruling group" always shot any changes i proposed down..... they have been the rouling group for 3 years and there are a lot of people who are sick of it and are trying to have things work as of our guidelines...... the ruling group will use the guidelines when they gain and will try and do it there way when the guidelines do not rule there way.... they have control of 3 home groupes and try to do it there way no mater what the guidelines say.... there are now 2 home groups that are sick of it and want the guidelines to rule and be flowed to the lether..... in this case we can stop the chair from alowing a 2 thirds vote to taken.... and force the vote of acclamation and needs to be a unanimous.... thus our 2 home groups can stop the only one running for facilitator as we do not frrl that he qualifs for the spot.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY IF YOU KNOW WHAT A VOTE OF ACCLIMATION IS? TO ME AND OUR AREA HAVE ALWAYS TAKEN A VOTE OF ACCLIMATION FROM THE HOME GROUPS. WE DO TAKE A VOTE .. I UNDERSTAND IN RROO SAY THAT IF ONLY ONE NOMINATION THE CHAIR CALL THE NOMINATION ELECTED. I BELIVE THAT IS WHAT IT SAYS. BUT WE HAVE TAKEN A VOTE SINCE WE STARTED. SHE KNOWS THAT IF A VOTE OF ACCLIMTION IS TAKEN HER PET WILL NOT BE ELECTED... THE VOTE WILL BE 3 FOR AND 2 NO'S. THUS THE NOMINATION WOULD NOT GET A UNANIMOUS VOTE...... THOUS IT WOULD NOT PASS AND WE WOULD TRY AND GET SOMEONE EALS NONIMATED THEN THERE WOULD BE 2 PEOPLE RUNNING...... THIS IS A POWER PLAY BY HER

THE GUIDE LINES SAY "IF THERE IS ONLY ONE NOMINATION A VOTE OF ACCLIMATION IS TAKEN, IF IT'S NOT UNANIMOUS THE POSITION GOES BACK TO THE HOME GROUPS FOR FURTHER NOMINATIONS".... I FEEL THAT THE GUIDE LINES ARE CLEAR.. IF THERE IS ONLY ONE NOMINATION A VOTE OF ACCLIMATION IS TAKEN..... I FEEL THAT THE GUIDE LINES ARE SAYING THAT WE ARE TO TAKE A VOTE. ROB. RUL. OF ORDER DOES NOT OVER RILE OUR GUIDE LINES..