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  1. hswolfmaniac

    Commander Added Unrecorded Comments to Meeting Minutes

    LOL. Good one, Mr. Novosielski. I will be doing just that on the inside without showing it on the outside. LOL. Thank you for your jest. I needed that. LOL.
  2. hswolfmaniac

    Commander Added Unrecorded Comments to Meeting Minutes

    LOL. Absolutely. :-D
  3. hswolfmaniac

    Commander Added Unrecorded Comments to Meeting Minutes

    Thank you, Zev. My mind was exhausted when was trying to do the math. I knew my math was off before going to sleep, but I could not figure out where my math calculations were off. :-( You just showed me where. Thank you. :-)
  4. hswolfmaniac

    Commander Added Unrecorded Comments to Meeting Minutes

    Sorry Mr. Brown. I meant unfinished business. Our agenda says (or used to say) old/unfinished business. I'm not quite sure what it has now because we (members) don't receive a copy of the agenda. I was hoping to bring up the "Rescind; Amend Something Previously Adopted" motion during unfinished business because we're also having our elections next month at our regular meeting. I wanted to be able to discuss this before we have our elections. We had our first set of nominations this month (March) so we'll be completing our nominations and elections next month. The current commander has been nominated again for the next year with no one else nominated at this time. The nominations and elections will probably be brought up under unfinished business so I was hoping to have my say-so before we started the election process. Present and voting, huh. Hmmm. There usually are members who, although not verbally abstaining, say nothing or do not vote. If I understand you correctly, if we have 20 members in attendance, and if a total of only 15 members vote (whether yay or nay), then 2/3 of those actually voting would be 10. So 10 of the voting would have had to cast a yay vote in order to pass or 10 nays in order to be defeated. In order to ensure accuracy I would have to call for a hand count. Am I correct in my deduction? Am I also correct in deducing, using the same 15 voting as a majority, if only 9 (or 8.5) vote yay and 7 (or 6.5) vote nay, then the motion passes, but if 9 (or 8.5) vote nay and 7 (or 6.5) are yay, then the motion is defeated. (I'm too tired to go on right now.)
  5. hswolfmaniac

    Commander Added Unrecorded Comments to Meeting Minutes

    Yes, others had made similar suggestions, but I was at a loss if I didn't submit the letter. Mr. Novosielski's suggestion encompasses what all of us have been discussing, but he has brought it down to a more workable level. But you are correct also in that I will have (possibly) just one chance to win them over on the first try. I have appreciated your feedbacks. Thank you.
  6. hswolfmaniac

    Commander Added Unrecorded Comments to Meeting Minutes

    Wow, Mr. Novosielski. Mr. Brown is right about your last feedback. I will take your suggestion to heart. At our next meeting, I will make the motion under old business since the minutes have already been accepted as read. I will count the members present, then figure out the 2/3. If I'm lucky, then maybe I can get enough members to accept my reasoning for the motion. If not, then I will give them my verbal notice for the following month. Hopefully, they will accept my reasoning. I will have my letter in front of me in order to gather my thoughts while I have the floor. I will mention the commander's actions while I have the floor in hopes that they will see my desire to make things right in the past and future minutes. I will also suggest to the members that the commander appoint another adjutant if the current adjutant does not feel he is capable of "speedily" typing the minutes. (However, I will speak to the adjutant first so that he can realize the importance of his impartiality when typing the minutes.) I will also ask for the commander's censure due to his hostilities and confrontational attitude concerning my letter. Thank you.
  7. hswolfmaniac

    Commander Added Unrecorded Comments to Meeting Minutes

    Atul, but I did give previous notice with my letter to the adjutant, but the commander has forbade and will not allow the adjutant to take action on my letter in notifying the entire membership. Even though the proper procedure is for the commander to allow the adjutant to notify the entire membership of over 400, the commander in his hostile confrontation towards me told me he will not contact any of the members on this matter. I'm serious. He was very hostile in his confrontation towards me. The adjutant wants to keep peace with the commander so I doubt he will proceed with the notification. Plus, I don't believe the adjutant is strong enough to tell the commander he is wrong. Some of the members that attend the meetings these past months have even turned against me because of the commander. I feel if something is not addressed properly at a meeting, then I stand and voice my disagreement. Most of the time the other members do not say anything even if I am right. I don't foresee a 2/3 majority without the notification. At least with the notification, I have a better chance of a majority vote.
  8. hswolfmaniac

    Commander Added Unrecorded Comments to Meeting Minutes

    I'm confused on "(if you have said exactly what this is I'm afraid that I missed it)". If I understand all my feedbacks (condensed version): (1) in order to move for a "rescind; amend something previously adopted," a previous notice must be submitted to the adjutant/secretary; (2) if call to a meeting has not been sent, then the adjutant can include the previous notice in the call; (3) if the organization does not require a call by the adjutant, then the member can move for a rescind/amend at the next regular meeting; (4) if the motion is not adopted, then the member can give notice that the motion will make the same motion at the next regular meeting. Is that basically it in a nutshell? My questions now are: can I ask the adjutant to read the letter I gave him to the membership before or after I make my motion? Or shall I just move for correction?; shall I read it if my motion is not adopted and with my intentions to give notice again at our next regular meeting? A lot of questions to ask with this last feedback.
  9. hswolfmaniac

    Commander Added Unrecorded Comments to Meeting Minutes

    Well, that's not good. :-( The only mention in our bylaws (National/Post) concerning meetings is for a special meeting. So if my only option to give previous notice is at our next meeting, then that means the subject cannot be discussed at our next meeting. I will have to wait an additional month before I am able to discuss the meeting minutes for February. Is that correct? If that is the case, am I able to request the adjutant read my previous notice letter to the membership at our next meeting?
  10. hswolfmaniac

    Commander Added Unrecorded Comments to Meeting Minutes

    Richard, we have a regular monthly meeting unless it is cancelled for a specific reason (i.e. a hurricane in our specific area). There is no "call" sent out by the adjutant for our meetings other than announcing at the end of each of our meetings when our next meeting will be. The higher vote threshold was one reason I had submitted my Previous Notice to Rescind; Amend Something Previously Adopted from Meeting Minutes. Based on the feedback I have received thus far, submitting my previous notice was my better option. Your suggestion of "Could the member even mail the notice himself in that situation? Perhaps if he does it a "reasonable period of time in advance of the meeting"? " is an interesting one except that a member will not have access to the membership roster since the member is not required to receive a roster nor is the member authorized to have one for privacy reasons.
  11. hswolfmaniac

    Commander Added Unrecorded Comments to Meeting Minutes

    Our meetings are held monthly, and at the end of each meeting, the commander announces the date and time of our next meeting. This has been included in the agenda for several years now. Our newsletter, which is only mailed to those who donate for the cost of the stamps, also announces when we our next meeting is. When I turned in the letter, I had handed it directly to our adjutant (secretary). It was he who gave the letter to our commander for approval, but I had previously advised the adj after he finished reading the letter that approval was not required. Our bylaws state what day and time of the month our meetings are held, but not everyone has a copy of our bylaws (that I am aware of).
  12. hswolfmaniac

    Commander Added Unrecorded Comments to Meeting Minutes

    The Post Adjutant (Adj) told me yesterday morning, Friday, 15 Mar 2019, he had purchased a copy of RONR, but I'm too tired now to remember if he bought it for himself or the Post. And here's a kicker. Our Post Commander just happens to be the District Adjutant, but I have been to (just) a few District meetings where he has not done the minutes correctly there either. I have not been to a District meeting for several months now so I don't know if the (Post Commander)/District Adjutant continues to perform the minutes incorrectly. Back to the RONR, the Post is authorized to purchase a copy of the RONR for the office so I will suggest to the Post Adj to purchase one to keep handy in the office. What I have to find next in the RONR is the rule where it states the Commander (Chair) is not allowed to prevent anyone from submitting a letter on the Rescind; Amend Something Previously Adopted process, and that the Commander (Chair) must allow the process to proceed once the letter/notice has been received by the Post/organization.
  13. hswolfmaniac

    Commander Added Unrecorded Comments to Meeting Minutes

    Today I submitted my letter for amendment. In speaking to the adjutant when I gave him the letter, I discovered that the commander is the one typing the minutes. The adjutant says he types too slow in typing the minutes. During our conversation, the adjutant said he needed to verify what I had submitted, and I told him to do just that. After I left the adjutant, I was speaking to another individual outside when the commander came to me and became confrontational. He emphatically said he was not going to send any letter of notice to over 400 of our members. I reminded him he does not have the authority to stop in sending the notice. There were a few expletives he used, but in the end I reinforced my position. (I will be notifying our District Commander of the Post Commander's obvious refusal to take corrective action.) He even went so far as to say he could say something about what was said in the minutes, but I told him that it still cannot be included in the minutes. He was very hostile towards me.
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