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Thank you both. That is very helpful!!

Wrestling with this one... If a motion to amend by substitution is adopted and then the substitute motion itself is not adopted, what is the status of the original motion that was replaced? Can it be renewed in that same meeting? Using the RONR example as the example. Original motion is to construct a new service wing for the Parish House Sub motion is to hire consultants instead. Assume the motion to sub is successful but the substituted motion to hire consultants fails. Can someone again move the original main motion to construct the new service wing? I will offer my thought that I think it cannot be brought up again as it is part and parcel so to speak of one entire motion that failed and therefore cannot be renewed at that same meeting.

Thank you Mr. Honemann, that is very helpful and if I can add... I was hoping that to be the case!

Hi everyone, I appreciate any help I can get on this... I understand the process for creating organizational Special Rules of Order to be contained as a special addendum in a society's bylaws. I also recognize that RONR has a process for creating Standing Rules for a convention. These require 2/3 vote at the start of the Convention and as RONR indicates... these usually are coming from a Committee on Standing Rules. For a one meeting AGM of a society that has RONR authorized in its bylaws that wants to adopt a set of rules to speed up the AGM (limit debate, instruct on electronic meeting rules, clarify assignment of the floor, etc.) would these be called Special Rules of Order... Standing Rules... or something different? That is question one... what would you call these? Also I am thinking that the advice in RONR about Standing Rules of a convention would apply (2/3 to adopt, cannot be seriatim, member can ask for indy rule to be pulled out for vote). Would you agree these rules for a convention Standing Rules would apply to these rules?

Thank you George, that is a good option.

I could use some help on what can/should be done when there is a repeated tie for an election of an officer. 8 member board that votes 4-4 repeatedly by ballot. Neither nominee wishes to withdraw. Any suggestions?

Thank you for your responses. Very helpful!! Atul, yes the group who owns these bylaws does allow members to observe the Board meetings. You could well be right that during some previous bylaw amendment time this was an accidental merging of different pieces around special meetings. Thanks everyone for responding. I think I have what I need for this question. Appreciate your time!

Guest SAA, I agree very much with all that you say, but still think the provision itself is toothless because the Board could just not show and there is no meeting. But I very much agree this is not normally going to be the prudent approach by the Board if such a meeting were called by members. Here is the wording of the provision. "A special meeting of the Board will be called by the President within ten (10) days of written request received by him stating in full the object and purpose of the meeting. For the called meeting to be conducted, two thirds (2/3) of those members who signed the request must be present for the meeting. The written request must be duly signed by: a)at least three (3) Directors, OR b) Not less than seven (7) General Members.:

Thank you for your response. I agree it is toothless. I am not a member of this group and the members don't seem to know why this was in here either.

Hi, I am a new user on the Forum. I am curious if anyone with Bylaws experience have come across a situation where the bylaws allow general members to call a special board meeting. I am very familiar with the provision for a sufficient number of general members being able to call a general membership meeting, but one organization I know of allows either a certain number of board members or a certain number of general members to call a special board meeting. This seems strange to me when the general members do not have the right to vote and make motions at a board meeting... I guess I am trying to figure out why this would be considered an appropriate or helpful bylaw. In my opinion it is not. Anyone have some insights on this for me?