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Reuben L. Lillie

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  1. I understand what you're saying. I'm not looking for a polemic. My qualms are not merely theoretical. The contents of pages 124 and 125 are not the primary issue. Page 93 is. It doesn't matter how long the motion has existed, it's in the current language. We who are privy to parliamentary procedure can insist that actions are invalid until ratified. But since there is nothing insisting that ratification be dealt with in a timely manner, only at "a" regular meeting, then there is also little to prevent it from becoming an afterthought in practice. Members are susceptible to the abuse of special
  2. Procedurally, it makes no sense to leave ratification open ended. Communicating risk is important, but it is insufficient. If ratification is required, then it should be spelled out in procedure. Otherwise, the loophole remains. Although unratified action may remain "invalid," it often remains acted upon nonetheless.
  3. It's a nice idea, but it leaves too much to chance (that the motion would be raised). RONR should be more explicit in recommending that ratification be made the order of business for another special meeting called for that purpose or else "the next regular meeting at the latest" (not just "a" meeting at some less defined point in the future of the organization).
  4. Almost. Again, I'm not advocating for imposing a "statute of limitations." I was merely using the phrase rhetorically and for illustrative purposes. If you find it distracting, then please ignore it. Sorry for any confusion on that point. Clarifying the consequences as you suggest doesn't quite accomplish what I believe needs to happen either. What I'm advocating for is being more explicit about best practice in keeping with the rest of RONR, namely, that the motion to ratify should be made a special order of business at the next regular meeting at the latest (if not at another speci
  5. Yes. I understand. I suppose I'm more concerned about a more thorough treatment (especially what I believe to be distinguishing standard descriptive characteristics from other main motions) than a different location in the text.
  6. Sure. I'm talking about organizations or members who falsely presume such actions to be valid or else who neglect to ratify (and therefore validate) actions in a timely manner.
  7. Of course. My question was more rhetorical than inquiry. Sorry if I was unclear on that. My chief concern is for organizations which either (a) misunderstand the motion to ratify as compulsory or else (b) those members who abuse special meetings to conduct business in the absence of certain members under the pretence that it is somehow "valid until censured" (a de facto ratification, or ratification by silent acquiescence or ignorance) rather than being more forthright and judicious about needing to ratify it formally.
  8. For consistency and explanatory purposes, it seems like at it would be better for the motions to ratify or censure to be explained under the chapter on incendental motions rather than so cursorily at the end of the chapter on the main motion. In the very least, it seems as though the motions to ratify or censure are different enough from the motion to adopt (e.g., recommendations about action to be taken v. not-yet-validated actions perhaps already taken) that the motions should fall under separate subheadings. I raised more specific questions about the motion to ratify in an earlier post
  9. I'm concerned that RONR 11 has a potentially dangerous loophole with respect to ratifying action taken at a special meeting. From p. 93: "If, at a special meeting, action is taken relating to business not mentioned in the call, that action, to become valid, must be ratified (see pp. 124-25) by the organization at a regular meeting (or at another special meeting properly called for that purpose)." By stipulating "a" regular meeting rather than "the next regular meeting at the latest" (or at least specifying that ratification should take place at subsequent special meeting called
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