George Mervosh

If I recall correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong), RONR used to say that but it no longer does, so I'm not sure I agree with this blanket statement.

Are they? Doesn't the adoption of RONR as the parliamentary authority mean it is prohibited by the bylaws, since the original poster has noted there is no bylaw provision allowing it? Thanks.

It cannot be withdrawn or rescinded under the rules in RONR, so there is no further guidance RONR has to offer.

It is not a breach of a continuing nature so the point of order must be timely. Ideally, the presiding officer should rule it out of order when it is made.

If I recall correctly, the only time it is acceptable is with the sentence - Go Army, Beat Navy! Sound right?

Yes. See RONR (12th ed.) 41:9-12

This part confuses me. What it just one vote to send the motion to the committee for further review? If not what exactly was the first thing the board voted on? Some additional facts would be welcome. Either way, no rule in RONR requires a committee to post an agenda for their meetings in the first place.

This is one of those times where I wished you insisted on verbatim language.

Here are the rules in RONR: "14:5 Limits on Postponement and Their Relation to Meeting and Session. Rules limiting the time to which a question can be postponed are related to the terms meeting and session (8), as follows: 14:6 In a case where more than a quarterly time interval (see 9:7) will elapse between meetings (for example, in an annual convention of delegates or in a local society that holds only an annual meeting), a question cannot be postponed beyond the end of the present session. In cases where no more than a quarterly time interval will elapse between sessions, a question can be postponed until, but not beyond, the next regular business session. For example, in a society that holds regular business meetings on the same day of each week, a question cannot, at one meeting, be postponed for longer than a week. So the motion to postpone to a date unknown would not be in order. Perhaps a better motion to use is Postpone Indefinitely. §11 in RONR. If that motion is adopted be certain to follow your bylaws and provide the required notice again to the members before making a motion to amend the bylaws again at a future meeting.

Here is what RONR says about good standing: " Members in good standing are those whose rights as members of the assembly are not under suspension as a consequence of disciplinary proceedings or by operation of some specific provision in the bylaws. A member may thus be in good standing even if in arrears in payment of dues (see 45:1, 56:19). If only some of an individual's rights as a member of the assembly are under suspension (for example, the rights to make motions and speak in debate), other rights of assembly membership may still be exercised (for example, the rights to attend meetings and vote)." RONR (12th ed.), 1:13 n3. If the bylaws define good standing in a different way, that definition would take precedence over the rule in RONR.

Since no facts have been provided regarding what these issues are I would recommend looking at RONR (12th ed.), 46:48-50 "Contesting the Announced Result of an Election."

Of course. Any board member may do so.

Yes. Your board is not alone. It should adopt a special rule authorizing the use of a consent calendar (agenda) if they wish to continue to use one.

As already cited above. RONR (12th ed.), 35:2 2) with regards to the fact a motion to rescind can only be applied to an adopted main motion. And §38 Renewal of Motions if your council wants to make the motion again to grant approval at a subsequent session.

Under the rules in RONR that is correct. Rescind only applies to adopted main motions per the citation provided. Any or all of the main motions can be made again at a subsequent session of council by any member, subject to any notice requirements your council has.

A motion to rescind can only be applied to one or more adopted main motions, not one that was defeated. RONR (12th ed.), 35:2 2) Under the rules in RONR, a motion to grant the permit can be made again at any new session of council. See RONR §38 Renewal of Motions. You should check with the council's attorney regarding any new notice requirements or other procedural rules in statute which may apply.

This is left to the total discretion of the organization. RONR does not speak to this.

There is no need to withdraw anything. The motion died at the end of the 2021 annual meeting. RONR (12th ed.), 17:8 Also, your group is not using the motion to lay on the table properly. See §17 in RONR.

There is no such requirement in RONR.

Subsidiary motions are permitted. The vote required for both the subsidiary motion to amend and the subsidiary motion to postpone is a majority vote. See RONR (12th ed.), 12:7 7) and 14:4 7). I would also recommend you review 57:10-13 regarding amending a proposed amendment to the bylaws.

This is interesting. If the bylaws allow the board to have exclusive control over negotiating and approving such a contract (I'm not sure the latter is the case based on the initial post), what would prohibit the membership, who has full control over the budget, it seems, from not fully funding that line item? It would cause chaos I'm sure, but I'm not sure the board having exclusive control over the contract issue itself is enough to prohibit amendments to the budget on the line item in question. I endorse Mr. Martin's suggestion because it seems the cleanest way to at least try to prevent amendments.

The only exceptions to Mr. Brown's answer are with regards to discipline/trial. See RONR (12th ed.), 61:17 and 63:33 e)

According to your facts this was almost 4 months ago. When was he notified that he was elected and what did he say when he was notified? "Time at Which an Election Takes Effect. An election to an office becomes final immediately if the candidate is present and does not decline, or if he is absent but has consented to his candidacy. If he is absent and has not consented to his candidacy, the election becomes final when he is notified of his election, provided that he does not immediately decline. If he does decline, the election is incomplete, and another vote can be taken immediately or at the next meeting without further notice. After an election has become final as stated in this paragraph, it is too late to reconsider (37) the vote on the election." RONR (12th ed.), 46:46

You are correct. "Some societies elect several vice-presidents in an order of precedence—first, second, third, and so on—in which case the highest-ranking one present has the duty of serving in place of the president when needed. In case of the president's resignation, death, or removal, the first vice-president then automatically becomes president (unless, as indicated above, the bylaws expressly provide otherwise for the office of president). Likewise, in case of any vice-president's resignation, death, or removal, or upon his or her automatic promotion to a higher office, the next-highest-ranking vice-president, if there is one, is automatically promoted (unless the bylaws expressly provide otherwise). Thus, for example, if the first vice-president resigns, the second vice-president becomes first vice-president, the third vice-president becomes second vice-president, and so on, with the vacancy to be filled occurring in the lowest-ranking vice-presidency. A vice-president cannot decline to take the higher office to which he has been automatically promoted; if unable or unwilling to carry out the duties of the new office, his only recourse is then to submit his resignation, upon the acceptance of which he will no longer hold either office." RONR (12th ed.), 47:29

No rule in RONR requires a member to resign from their current office to run for another office.