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  1. Thanks Mr. Martin and I think that wraps it up for my question. Everyone here is so generous with their time and it is very appreciated.
  2. Hi Joshua Katz. The problem is that you can stop someone from write-ins with electronic ballots. For example, with Election Buddy you have to actually allow write-ins to be able to type in a name. If you do not enable that option, there is no place to submit a write-in. That is what is being suggested at our organization, that the feature for write-ins, not be enabled.
  3. A potential difficulty with RONR indicating in RONR 12th, 45:18 (below) that eligible persons are able to be written-in is that faulty logic can lead you to think that ineligible person cannot be written-in. Yet as Atul Kapur pointed out, an ineligible person can be written-in but the vote would be counted as an illegal vote. I think it can be explained with predicate logic. "If A then B" does not mean "if Not A then Not B." The implication order would need be inverted and not simply negated. "If Not B then Not A" is the contrapositive of "If A then B" and based on logic. However, "If A then B
  4. Thank you. Unfortunately I've made a mess of my question and therefore your answer Atul Kapur. I meant to say "illeligible" instead of "eligible" and corrected it above. I'm not sure of the best course of action to correct that section of these posts.
  5. I agree. I do not think that RONR passage addressed the question and it can only be addressed by if there is something in the bylaws about being elected only if nominated by petition. However, part of what I am asking, is a silly one, "are you allowed to write-in illegal candidates." In other words, if the bylaws were to state that a candidate can only be elected if they are nominated by petition, must write-ins be removed from an electronic ballot, or must they be included and all write-ins counted as illegal votes.
  6. Update 2nd edit, unfortunately I had to rewrite my question after it was answered immediately below, underlined is where changes are. Specifically, it is being proposed that passage infers that illegible write-ins are not allowed under RONR. Further it is proposed that if only petition nominated candidates where to be allowed than logic follows that write-ins are not allowed. Does the passage below indicate write-ins are not allowed if there were something in an organization's documents that indicated only members nominated by petition are eligible to be elected? I am referring to that it
  7. Thank you everyone. I really appreciate your swift replies!
  8. Thanks again. it seems it only applies to nominations and does not prohibit write-ins, nor having them being elections. My understanding is that according to RONR, one does not need to be nominated to be elected, write-ins must be allowed and counted as a legal vote cast unless it for is an illegible candidate. If the write-in is cast for illegible candidate then it is counted as an illegal vote cast, but still counted for the majority.
  9. Is language below in our constitution clear enough to disallow write-ins and count them as illegal votes if they were to be made for an otherwise legal candidate? "Nominations of the officers of the Organization must be by petition. The petitions must bear the name of the nominee, the office sought, and the names and signatures of 25 members in good standing. Petitions must be filed with the Organization’s office at least ten days before the scheduled election for that position."
  10. Mr. Brown, your response was very helpful because my request was mostly based on the guidance I read in RONR 11th on citing. So I will get the 12th digitally and may decide to hold off on an extra print copy. Thanks so much!
  11. I want to get a digital/ebook version of RONR (12th) that provides page numbers of hardcopy version. I want to be able to search and find something and then know what page the same section is in the hardcopy/print version of the book. This would be helpful in communicating a page numbers among people who vary between digital and hardcopy versions. However, past experience has shown me that ebooks generally don't have page numbers that are the same as hardcopies. Has anyone found a solution or specific source for the 12the edition that solves this issue specifically with page numbers?
  12. Gary, these ballots have multiple positions like our state ballots do. There is nothing in them indicating a team of candidates. I realize that without considering our bylaws, Robert's Rules is clear. However, I am not sure I agree with comments made so far that a "ballot cast" is the same as a "vote cast" when plain language bylaws are considered. I have read Robert's Rules and in various places it speaks of a "ballot" as a thing that is submitted for the purpose of votes before these votes are known. At the time they are cast into a location, they are spoke of as a "ballot." Having a choice
  13. Yes, Bruce has it. I am not sure where I saw the term, I spelled it incorrectly with two 't's and may have used the term erroneously. The word is used when several positions or questions are "slated on ballot" and of course used when referring to a "slate" of candidates running together.
  14. Thanks for answering this question both of you. Atul, what you indicated was especially helpful and made perfect sense to me when I reread that section. It stands to reason that a slatted ballot can and should be considered separately for each question or position. I guess I got caught up in the singular grammar of the word "ballot" and failed to recognize the relevance or meaning of the passage in Robert's Rules. Lesson learned, thanks to you both. My first inclination BTW was differentiate "votes cast" with "ballots cast" as our bylaws indicates "ballots" and never once mentions votes.
  15. Our organization's bylaws indicate that candidates must receive "a majority of the ballots cast" in order to be elected (those exact words). Our election is done with a slated ballot for multiple officer positions. In this case, can a candidate win with only a majority of votes counted for either of two candidates not including any abstentions in one of the officer positions when that number is less than 50% +1 of the total number of ballots cast with abstentions included? Everything below this line is intended to clarify my question above and probably isn't necessary to read. Given
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