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Can we get tl;dr version here?

Which completely absolves RONR from any responsibility for the end result I love how RONR likes to pretend the rules apply to some imaginary and rational participants and not humans on planet Earth.

Most likely via cumulative voting of a few.

https://robertsrules.forumflash.com/topic/37484-hoa-hit-list/ Is posting links to https://jurassicparliament.com/ verboten?

Now think about the dynamics this arrangement creates. An HOA board can effectively ignore the voice of the members and pursue their own agenda without having to pay attention to what the rest of the HOA thinks. RONR, a nice cover for despotism.

Not really, it is just unnecessary.

I was just presenting an idea since you were asking for a solution in the post I replied to: > I don't know what more can be done in this regard. Maybe you don't want to hear this kind of ideas and that's fine with me.

It's all about money, isn't it?

Making RR available for free would probably go a long way towards this goal. Right now only enlightened few have access to the full text and know what's in it.

Unfortunately RR are often used to give legitimacy to stupidity via an appeal-to-authority. Pretending it isn't the case is disingenuous.

Yeah, it works. The only issue at this point is unnecessary base64 encoding: From: =?UTF-8?B?VGhlIE9mZmljaWFsIFJPTlIgUSAmIEEgRm9ydW1z?= <noreply@invisioncloudcommunity.com> Subject: =?UTF-8?B?U2Vjb25kcy4=?=

Thanks! Clearly not everybody is aware of this. The results are often hilarious.

Roberts rules is a great set of rules for preventing lone dissenters from having their objections registered. A five person HOA board with a lone dissenter can effectively neutralize the impact the person can have on the proceedings. They can not even put a motion in place because ...... no seconds. Even worse when only the minimum quorum - 3 people - is present. Reminds me of two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. Should the seconds rule be relaxed in such small environments? The insistence on following the seconds rule under these conditions seem very superficial. You don't need seconds if your quorum is 5 or less would probably make sense.

@Shmuel Gerber Haven't gotten anything. Please trigger something. I hope I am not shadow banned

Quote of the year. Wonder if this "flexibility" was intended from the get-go.

According to RR cumulative voting is bad. What is a better option for an HOA board of directors election?

I think this is one of the shortcomings of RR where it never tries to be authoritative. From your example: a 10year voting deadline? Sure, no problem. Not stupid at all. Just make sure the rule is included in by-laws.

LOL: My experience is getting a qualified lawyer to take a case against an HOA is difficult. It is just hard for an attorney to make a living this way. It is much easier to represent HOAs and their inflated budgets. My HOA puts 400k/year aside in cash reserves.

Thank you for verifying. I will keep an eye on my SPAM folder while this is being investigated.

Let me quote the November 2020 newsletter: For the record the amendment in the original question is being pushed because of voluntary compliance with a new state law for the new constructions. It seems voluntary compliance with the state laws overrides member interests and any governing documents.

All email notification from this forum are missing the ending MIME marker which results in the message from Amavis in the title(and the SPAM folder in my case). Is this another thing broken by Amazon SES or something that can be fixed by a simple config change somewhere? Edit: It seems Amazon SES is aware of the need to include the ending marker. From an example in their docs - https://docs.aws.amazon.com/ses/latest/dg/event-publishing-send-email.html The last line is always missing ;(

Seems to be a California thing: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=inspectors+of+election+hoa+service

@Richard Brown From the duties of the inspector of elections(third party in this case): EDIT: However in reality(from OP):

There are some additional regulations. Apologies for not finding it sooner: EDIT: Not sure however if these have been adopted as this is from less than 6 month old proposal and I do not see it in the current set of documents. Will know more tomorrow. Edit 2: These have been adopted by the board.