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There was an earlier post about just such a case. And i just mentioned it as extra that it could be a continuing breach but sufficient proof might be very difficult or impossible. So guiding the original poster towards rescinding rather than trying a point of order in these cases. Cases where a point of order could be concidered ( in my opinion.) 1) A motion requiring a 2/3 vote where a counted vote was taken and the count clearly shows that the motion should be declared defeated. 2) a ballot vote where the ballot papers are still available. Can't think of any other reasons at the moment.
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Maybe you should make it an executive session that way you can prevent: (Or at least add that to the complaints against him) But if you can do it all depends on your bylaws, and the riles and instructions of the membership
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It depends a bit on why you want to nullify. For general cases here is a motion to rescind, requiring a 2/3 vote without notice, a majority vote with notice. If the motion was against the bylaws, earlier adopted motions still in force, made duting an inquorate meeting and similar serious orocedural errors a point of order can be raised (it is a continuing breach) If it is because you think the voting result announcement was wrong, you need very strong proof, forcs point of order, probably better is to get thermotion recinded.
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Sharing of minutes and other governance documents
puzzling replied to Katy's topic in General Discussion
I agree with mr Martin , was puzzling if these rules should be in the bylaws or that standing rules are enough authority Guess Bylaws is probably better but standing rules are sufficient. Also make a decisions on what governance documents you want to make available to the general public and aspirant members. (RONR rules nothing on this) -
What exactly do the state party rules state on the county party? Sometimes they are as extensive as normal bylaws. Or ask advice of the state party, maybe they have model county party and prescinct rules. That can function as bylaws. (And can sometimes even mandated as the bylaws if the county doesn't have its own.)
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Multiple Lot owners, do they get multiple votes?
puzzling replied to Tsmyth's topic in General Discussion
Hoa bussiness is about lots of money and legalese so i fully support mr Kapur. Maybe have a look at the website of the home owners protection bureau hopb.co lots of references to the more legal rules , regulations and instances to go to help. But maybe it ends uo by an lawyer anyhow, it just is about a lot of money, happiness and about peoples home -
Board member interference with another board member being elected.
puzzling replied to a topic in General Discussion
Your post is a bit confusing maybe use boardmember A , B members E and F and so on. Depending on what happened a motion to sensure (disapproval) might be the least to consider. -
Annual membership vs. Board meeting (Motions from Floor)
puzzling replied to Carlos's topic in General Discussion
Okay , hi Carlos you are doing well (i did get a private message from Carlos with the same questionsxand wanted to suggest he should just post the question here, so that all can chip in ) It all depends on what your bylaws say. But if RONR rules: Yes any member can make motions at the annual membership meeting. The agenda can be amended. (The agenda is just a draft, the meeting needs to approve it before it becomes the agenda) Suggestions: Before the agenda is adopted ask to add an wide category like "new bussiness" to the agenda. Your and maybe others new motions belong to this category. If adopted make your motion when the new business is reached. -
2/3 vote requiring a majority of those present
puzzling replied to smb's topic in Advanced Discussion
I would not do that for everything in the bylaws, but for situations as in this case where a rule gets complex and not one item in RONR covers the whole lot, direct descriptions are good. (notice that in my suggestion it is not even called a 2/3 vote, but i agree i am still not sure if it is exactly as RONR defines it.) And off course educating members on what RONRvterms mean is a good thing. -
2/3 vote requiring a majority of those present
puzzling replied to smb's topic in Advanced Discussion
In my version you don't need to look into RONR what a two/third vote is, all is right in front of your nose. (Mislaid my copy of RONR , feared that my description of 2/3 vote differed from the RONR one) -
2/3 vote requiring a majority of those present
puzzling replied to smb's topic in Advanced Discussion
My two cents Adoption of such a motion requires a vote of the majority of the directors present and has at least twice the number of votes in favour of adaption than the number of votes against adoption. (Name the majority of nembers present first , and give the full definition of a 2/3 vote, so no need to go looking for it) -
I think your confusion is. That you think that Is sufficient to adopt a motion, while it is not. An assembly can only adopt motions during proper meetings. While it is unlikely that the motion will fail, members that did argee with it by email may change their opinion after debate, also all other actions available to motions are allowed. If you want solid email decision making then it should be in the bylaws, I would suggest then to surround that option with lots of limitations including higher adoption requirements.
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I think overall you tried your best. Some minor point: It is not your task to chair the convention, your task is to present the report of the credentional commission. Point of order ,any other interruptions are to dealt with by the convention chair. (so by accident, you did the right thing, sadly the convention chair didn't)