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    Motion to rescind

    In a small body (9 members) who may offer a motion to rescind a prior non unanimous adopted measure?
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    Amend a main motion

    At the June meeting a motion was placed to pay an assessment on or before September 19th. September 19th is the first meeting of the Fall and there are no meetings in July and August. At the meeting in September a group of members want to bring an amend something previously adopted to change the date to later in the year. Some of the membership would have already paid the assessment because of the due date and now some of the members what to change it on the same day it's due. Is the September date too late to make any changes to the motion adopted in June?
  3. I am a member of a Board that voted to change its meeting date, time, and place. The minority (adamantly opposed to the new calendar) have continued to try to invalidate the change (which was adopted by a 2/3rds majority with previous notice), first by ignoring, then by requesting an email vote (our bylaws prohibit email voting), then by making a motion at the last meeting--which I suppose "carried out" the previous motion (at least for that first meeting of the newly adopted calendar). There was no previous notice. There was a simple majority affirmative vote on the new(?) motion (that did not state amend or rescind--but it really is the same issue. (The simple majority, was actually a minority of the full body, so it was neither 2/3rds of the body present or a majority of the full body.) Is this valid? (I suspect no.) If this is not valid, what is the appropriate way to address this at the next meeting? (FWIW, the issue at hand addresses having enough time to address the issues on the agenda, by debate and vote. Historically, we have not enough time and members have never been allowed to debate, only vote, thus the overwhelming majority voted to lengthen the meetings and increase the frequency. It has been opined that the minority is attempting to stifle debate and action as puppets from the administration this body advises. In other words, this is an important issue to this body.)
  4. At a meeting late last year a motion to do X passed. On the agenda for the next meeting, which took place recently, were, among other things, a motion to amend X (to provide more specifics for how it would work) and after that a motion to rescind X. The motion to amend X passed, and the hour was late, so the chair postponed the rest of the business to the next meeting. My question is this: Is it in order for the motion to rescind to come up after an affirmative vote to amend? RONR (11th ed.) states on p. 307: "A negative vote on these motions [to amend or rescind] can be reconsidered, but not an affirmative vote." And on the next page RONR specifies what actions cannot be rescinded or amended, including, "When it has previously been moved to reconsider the vote on the main motion, and the question can be reached by calling up the motion to Reconsider (37)." Technically this particular ASPA, which was affirmed, was not a reconsideration, but in the general spirit of the meaning of the term it was. At the next meeting, when the motion to rescind is made, can it be called out of order? The chair of the group (who is not a fan of X) intends to postpone any action on X until after the next meeting.
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    Rescind vs Reconsider

    How would you explain the difference between rescind and reconisder? With a general understanding, how would you debate on each? I don't see the difference in the way you would debate reconsider/rescind, particularly in an FFA demo. Is it debated the same way? An example would be awesome, but any clarification is appreciated. Thanks!
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    Rescind vs Reconsider

    How would you explain the difference between rescind and reconisder? With a general understanding, how would you debate on each? I don't see the difference in the way you would debate rescind or reconisder, especially in an FFA demonstration. Any clarification is appreciated. Thanks!
  7. We will have before us at the next meeting both a motion to rescind and a motion to amend, on the same previous decision. The motion to amend is in the board packet, while the motion to rescind has only been circulated by email. I understand that the motion to amend can pass with a simple majority while the motion to rescind will require a 2/3 majority. But does one motion take precedence over the other?
  8. At our last board meeting the board passed, what has become, a controversial decision. There is a movement among the membership to rescind the board decision at our upcoming membership meeting. It seems that rescind is not the right term (given that no person outside the board voted on the motion). What is the right terminology and process that should be used by the membership to overturn the decision of the board? I don't think the voting requirements to override the board are specified in our bylaws, does RONR have any burden beyond the majority? This member movement seems to want to make a motion that before decisions of this class are made by the board, that such decisions must go before the membership for comment. Any RONR thoughts on that? I would hate for this effort to fail because of their procedure. It is important that the issue be duly considered. thanks, a Student Parliamentarian.
  9. A few board members unhappy with our current COA management company conducted a search on their own for a new company. New company made presentation at April Board Meeting. No proposal presented to entire board prior to that time. One unhappy board member made a motion to switch management companies to the new company and motion was adopted / majority vote, the unhappy board members. Minority vote of board members are happy with current company. New company presented proposed management agreement to Board. Board requested the new company's proof of insurance. After reviewing the proposed agreement and binder of insurance provided, red flags started to reveal themselves that merited further investigation. The COA attorney reviewed the proposed agreement and advised the business named in the proposed agreement is not registered to do business in our State, is not licensed as a community manager business with our State, and is not a named insured on the certificate of insurance provided. He also noted the agreement is heavily weighted in favored of the new company and has suggested language to protect the COA, more red flags. Our COA president is planning on rescinding the adopted motion, but I found in an internet search a State Association of Parliamentarians tip site stated that if a motion results in a contract and the other party has been informed of the vote, the motion cannot be rescinded. What does "results in a contract mean"? proposed contract? signed contract? If the motion to switch to the new company was adopted and now after further review this is not a business the COA should be doing business with legally, what is the proper action to be taken by the Board to discontinue down this path?
  10. My Board voted to send one Commissioner and one staff person on a study trip without designating which ones would attend; leaving that decision to discussion after the meeting. Within a few days after the meeting, two Commissioners decided they wanted to attend, and the staff person was happy to accommodate their wish and not attend so both Commissioners both go. Since the motion was to send one Commissioner and one staff person, do I now need to bring the matter back to the Commission at the next meeting with a rescind or reconsider of their initial motion and then have them move that two Commissioners can attend the Study? Thank you for your gracious assistance. (Next year, we'll just note two representatives)
  11. As Commissioner of a Scout Group, I feel the need to have a policy & procedure manual. There currently isn't one, however, over the course of many (25-30) years many motions have been voted on. The Secretary role has changed often over the years and not all of my predecessors have ensured that all previously published minutes have been archived, so there is no definitive source of all previously passed motions. In order to propose the new policy manual, some of the items are completely new, never having been previously discussed while others have been the topic of many previous votes (eg. reimbursement for a new uniform, email voting, personal use of group equipment), can I notify all members by way of sending each of them the proposed manual, make a motion to rescind all previous votes only on the items discussed in the manual and then have a vote to pass en-masse the new manual? Thanks, George.
  12. In January a motion was passed by our Board that affects the school. Many parents of students were displeased by the measure. One of the key members was not present when it was presented. It passed 8-2. After a lot of back and forth sideline discussion it was decided that at our next meeting the missing individual would be able to present his facts. He feels if he had been able to do so at the meeting, the motion would not have been passed in such haste. Can the motion be brought back, or can a new motion be presented to rescind the previously passed motion? Most of the members seem to agree it was a hasty move and that a suitable compromise can be reached. How can we achieve this?
  13. Hello, I raised issues a couple days ago associated with confusion in a meeting, and got a great deal of helpful feedback. As I am still an RONR newbie, I'd appreciate a bit more feedback. Our group will meet again in a couple of days, and one or more members are likely to make a motion to amend a prior motion (I think this most likely), or to rescind the prior motion that was voted on at our last meeting, reopen discussion, and make a new motion on the basis of our discussion. I have two questions. First, given that the main motion from our meeting has now been voted on (and has now passed), can people move to amend or to rescind that original motion? My reading of RONR makes me think that amend is what is wanted, and that this is allowed, and I'm frankly confused about whether rescind is properly applicable to this situation or not. What is desired is an amendment to the motion - not a striking of the motion. What had folks all confused before was whether or not to suggest an amendment, and precisely what to suggest, but a substantial portion of the main motion was entirely acceptable to the group (unanimously). My question is how we best get to the place where an amendment could be proposed and discussed, allowing for appropriate discussion and voting. Second, what does prior notice constitute? We are using a meeting time on Tuesday that had been reserved in case it was needed for this topic, but no motion to amend or rescind has been made in our meeting this past Thursday - I am only aware of the intention for such a motion to be brought forward in our Tuesday meeting. Should my call for the meeting include "notice" that a motion to amend or to rescind may be forthcoming, and does that constitute "notice" - or is this is case where "notice" does not apply, as nothing was raised while we were still meeting together? I'm not worried about 2/3 vs simple majority - but more just trying to understand all this stuff. I can see that "notice" helps prepare the group as a whole, so it can be more than merely making it easier for a motion to pass. So I am most interested also in what you folks would consider helpful for people coming into this meeting. I think most people are aware that there is interest in an amendment, with the exception of a few people who were not in the original meeting, but will be in this Tuesday's meeting. Thank you in advance for your clarifications!!
  14. My small board (7 members) has a by-law that allows a motion to Reconsider to be made any time within the fiscal year in which the previously-decided matter was originally decided. Otherwise, the motion to Reconsider is subject to the same rules in RONR for who can may make the motion and the number voting in favor required for its adoption. In regard to the time-frame, however, the fiscal year period is more liberal than the RONR standard, which would require the motion to be made in the same meeting as the previously-decided motion or, in the context of a session, in the same or next following meeting. The motions to Amend or Rescind are generally additional tools to bring back before the assembly a matter that has been previously decided. RONR, however, prohibits use of these motions "[w]hen it has previously been moved to Reconsider the vote on the main motion, and the question can be reached by calling up the motion to Reconsider." RONR, section 35, p. 308, ll. 17-19. In the context of my board's rule that allows the motion to Reconsider to be made anytime within the fiscal year of the previously-decided motion, are the motions to Amend or Rescind unavailable within that fiscal year due to the ability to make the motion to Reconsider? If this interpretation is correct, the motions to Amend or Rescind would not be available until after the fiscal year ended. Alternatively, the restriction would apply only if the motion to Reconsider were actually pending when a member wanted to move to Amend or Rescind, and the motions to Amend or Rescind be available in the absence of a pending motion to Reconsider. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
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