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  1. Can a member of a Board who abstained in the original vote, subsequently "move a reconsideration" vote? It was mentioned in my previous post that this type of action was not allowable, but where can I find this ruling in Robert's Rules of Order? We have a Board meeting tonight and I need to find this asap!!!!.....Thanks.
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    Abstention Votes

    SO my question is what happens if the entire committee decides to abstain. Meaning that there were not votes for or against the motion and only abstentions. For instance, if there is a motion and the vote count is zero ayes zero nays but 4 abstentions, does the motion pass or fail?
  3. FAQ # 6 says: "On the other hand, if the vote required is a majority or two thirds of the members present, or a majority or two thirds of the entire membership, an abstention will have the same effect as a “no” vote." My question is, does the effect of an abstention change if the by-law says "a majority of the members present and voting" vs. just "present"? Thanks in advance.
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    Newly elected School Board member. I am being asked to vote on a raise for the Superintendent. I was not part of the evaluation process that led to this raise. I believe abstaining from the vote is the proper thing to do. What does Roberts Rule say regarding this?
  5. I'm a member of a Board the bylaws of which provide that the Chair does not vote except to make or break a tie. Our bylaws also require that a reason be noted in the minutes for all abstentions. Two questions: 1.
  6. Hello: In a situation where a concurring vote of three out of five board members is required, and there are three abstentions, the motion clearly cannot pass. But is it deemed a valid vote or valid denial? I realize it is impossible for the motion to pass, but not necessarily based on "no" votes (especially if 2-2 vote yes). I'm wondering if there is a term-of-art for it. From RONR that the abstentions in a majority of the membership situation have the "effect" of a no, but are not necessarily votes. So if this decision is ultimately appealed, it seems incorrect to call it a true den
  7. The by laws of my organisation state that a rule or by law can be amended before the Amendments Assembly (taking place every three years), by submitting an Emergency Amendment if needed. The vote for that Emergency Amendment takes place in an ordinary meeting of the board of directors, after circulating the amendment to the members of the organisations 15 days prior to the ordinary meeting. It also states that the vote for such an Emergency Ammendment must be unanimous in order for it to be approved. I abstained from a vote and everyone else voted yes. Is it unanimous? Also, if the Emergen
  8. We have a 7 member board. Our by-laws state a quorum is a majority of appointed members, which is 4. A motion requires a simple majority to pass. The by-laws do not state if the simple majority must be those present or of the full board. In this instance, all members happened to be present. Here is the vote: 4 abstained (3 for perceived conflict of interest & 1 with no conflict who chose not to vote), 2 voted yes, & 1 voted no. The board president declared that the motion passed. Is she correct?
  9. I have searched the forum and read the results regarding abstention and quorum voting and also FAQ#6 and I am still a little confused. FAQ#6 states: I am confused because it says an abstention will be a no vote then follows up with abstention is not counted as a vote, so which is it? Our situation that is being debated is this: 100 current voting members 60 in attendance 30 vote yes 15 vote no 15 abstain Under strict Roberts Rules of Order does it pass or not? Now with a direct quote from our bylaws: I think that if we are going to follow Roberts Rules our Section 4:B should be updated
  10. Under Robert's Rules, is there such thing as a recusal in the case of a conflict of interest? If an individual in the voting assembly has a conflict of interest, would the individual be required to leave the room prior to discussion (or will he/she be allowed to participate in discussion so long as the conflict is announced)? If so, would the individual be removed from the quorum? If not, what would be the proper procedure to address a conflict of interest? Will the individual recuse or abstain?
  11. During an October 8, 2013 Downtown Los Angeles Neighborhood Council Board of Directors monthly meeting, a controversial agenda item was voted on. Skid Row Housing Trust, a developer of low-income housing for homeless people and folks in recovery from drugs and alcohol abuse, requested a letter of support for an alcohol permit for a first floor restaurant in their newest building (out of 25 they already own/operate). Prior to the vote, it was determined that out of 28 Board seats, many of the members were also members of a powerful lobbyist group, the same as the applicant. While most recused
  12. My understanding is that a member cannot be compelled to vote. Does any other member have the right to ask the reason for the abstention?
  13. Greetings, We are a condominium association in Oregon. All unit owners make up our membership, and we have a board of directors for regular monthly meetings. Every April, we have an annual meeting of all members, at which we vote in new Directors and other business (and eat dinner!). Our bylaws state that we must have, whether present or by proxy, 50% of our general members in order to have a quorum, and that a vote requires 50% of all members (not just 50% of those in attendance) to pass. In our annual meeting last month, we had 57%, so we had a quorum. The meeting notice included an ite
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    Abstention required?

    If a voting member was absent from the meeting whose minutes are being approved, is an abstention required? Can an affirmative vote be made if the voting member believes the minutes accurate?
  15. I made a motion at the last department meeting and there was a vote. 5 people voted in favor of my proposal and 0 voted against. 11 people abstained. 16 people is a quorum. I don't know why they abstained but it does not matter. The bylaws of the constitution require just a simple majority and then defers to Robert's rules. Here is what I can get from doing a little research: 1) Abstentions are not votes—in fact, it is an oxymoron because if you abstain, you are refusing to vote. 2) Therefore there are only two choices—to pass or to reject the motion. 3) There was a quorum present 4
  16. Good afternoon, Recently, a member of a small Commission (6 people) that I serve as staff for asked the following: Is there a difference between an abstention and a recusal (which, based on what I've read so far is to not vote because of a conflict of interest)? I was not sure of the answer. As I explained, I equated an abstention with a simple non-vote (covering a number of circumstances), while a recusal was a conflict of interest. However, it seems as if a member's recusal is not specified in Robert's Rules - only a non-vote in conflict of interest circumstances. If a member had a conflict
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