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  1. Our procedure bylaw allows for each distinct part of a motion to be considered separately at the request of the member. No motion needed. My question relates to separation of the question. If the Question is moved and seconded " That the Board congratulate the writer Mary Mack on their award they received for their book and that the Board purchase 9 books for the membership." and a member asks for division of the question does each motion now need to be moved and seconded? THAT the Board congratulate the writer Mary Mack on their award they received for their book. THAT the Board purchase 9 books for the membership. I ask because we have complicated voting rights. Sometimes all members vote on motions and sometimes only some members vote on items that pertain to them.
  2. Can a member call for a division of the assembly up until the result of the vote is announced (step 3 in announcing the result) or until the next item is stated by the chair?
  3. I have heard the term "Division of the House" thrown around. Does that mean the same thing as "Division of the Assembly"?
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    Change of Vote

    I sit on a county commission board of five commissioners. At our last meeting (on April 6th) a vote on an agenda item took place. The chairman announced the results as 4-1 passes. I sit at on extreme end of the seating of the commissioners and I did not hear who gave the negative vote and I asked who cast the negative vote. The commissioner sitting to my left said "Ralph" (Ralph is the Chairman) and the Chairman (who sits two seats to my left) said "me". The two other commissioners sit still farther away to my left and neither said anything in response to my question. That was the last item under the Planning and Zoning portion of the agenda. The Chairman then went on to the agenda that concerned the County Attorney. The County Attorney said that she had no items for the Board. The Chairman then went on the next item on the agenda which was the County Administrator. The County Administrator discussed his first item and said that the first item was informational. No vote was needed. The County Administrator went on to present a second item of his. After the County Administrator presented his second item (the second item did not require a vote of the Board) and after over two minutes had passed since the 4-1 vote of the Planning and Zoning item, a commissioner sitting three seats away form me, said to the staff taking the minutes of the meeting, "I joined Ralph in that vote", (referring to the 4-1 Planning and Zoning vote as that was the most recent vote, but never stating that was the vote being referred to). Nothing more was said or done. The Board was not asked if they concurred or not. The commissioner who said, "I joined Ralph in that vote. It was a 3-2 vote.", did not say he doubted the vote. The Chairman said he did not hear the no vote. The chairman sits adjacent to the commissioner who said that he joined Ralph (the chairman) in that vote. The commissioner who said that that he voted with Ralph, said the chairman needed hearing aids. I listened to the vote on the audio/video over a dozen times. It is difficult to hear when the multiple "ayes" are said if the commissioner who said he voted with "Ralph" voted yes, but he is not heard voting against the item when the nays are called for. After two minutes had passed since the 4-1 vote and after two agenda headings being called and handled by the Chairman and after two items discussed by the County Administrator, and with no call out of "division" and with no commissioner doubting the vote, what is the final status of the vote? Neither the chairman nor the Board agreed to change the vote as stated by the chairman as 4-1. The minutes are coming to the Board for approval at our April 20th meeting and the minutes reflect a 3-2 vote for the Planning and Zoning item (i assume, based on the statement of the commissioner who stated that he voted with Ralph). Under Roberts Rules how should the vote be reflected in the minutes (4-1 or 3-2)? Either way the item passes. Could the vote be changed by the statement of the one commissioner at the time he made the statement?
  5. I sit on a county commission board of five commissioners. At our last meeting (on April 6th) a vote on an agenda item took pace. The chairman announced the results of the item as 4-1 passes. I sit at on extreme end of the seating of the commissioners and I did not hear who gave the negative vote and I asked who cast the negative vote. The commissioner sitting to my left said "Ralph" (Ralph is the Chairman) and the Chairman (who sits two seats to my left) said "me". The two other commissioners sit still farther away to my left. That was the last item under the Planning and Zoning portion of the agenda. The Chairman then went on to the agenda that concerned the County Attorney. The County Attorney said that she had no items for the Board. The Chairman went on the next item on the agenda which was the County Administrator. The County Administrator discussed his first item and said that the first item was informational. No vote was needed. The County Administrator went on to present a second item of his. After the County Administrator presented his second item (the second item did not require a vote of the Board) and after over two minutes had passed since the 4-1 vote of the Planning and Zoning item, a commissioner sitting three seats away form me, said to the person taking the minutes of the meeting, "I joined Ralph in that vote", (referring to the 4-1 Planning and Zoning vote as that was the most recent vote, but never stating that was the vote being referred to). Nothing more was said or done. The Board was not asked if they concurred or not. The commissioner who said, "I joined Ralph in that vote. It was a 3-2 vote.", did not say he doubted the vote. The Chairman said he did not hear the no vote. The chairman sits adjacent to the commissioner who said that he joined Ralph (the chairman) in that vote. The commissioner who said that that he voted with Ralph, said the chairman needed hearing aids. I listened to the vote on the audio/video over a dozen times. It is difficult to hear with the multiple "ayes" if the commissioner who said he voted with "Ralph" voted yes, but he is not heard voting against the item when the nays are called for. After two minutes passing since the 4-1 vote and after two agenda headings being called by the Chairman to speak and after two items discussed by the County Administrator, and with no call out of "division" and with no commissioner doubting the vote, what is the final status of the vote? Neither the chairman nor the Board agreed to change the vote as stated by the chairman as 4-1. The minutes are coming to the Board for approval at our April 20th meeting and the minutes reflect a 3-2 vote for the Planning and Zoning item (based on the statement of the commissioner who stated that he voted with Ralph). Under Roberts Rules how should the vote be reflected in the minutes?
  6. Okay, in the discussion about combining several proposals into one vote, I gave the following example: "Resolved, that the By-laws be amended as follows: to change By-law #1 to change the number of directors from 5 to 7; to change By-law #3 to change the date of Board meetings from the second Monday of each month to the third Monday of each month; and to change By-law #4 to create the office of 2nd Vice President." Would a call for division on this issue be ruled by the Standard Characteristics of a Division from pages 271-272 of RONR as they relate to similar issues (they are both amendments to the By-laws AND deal with the Board of Directors) or would it trigger the right of a single member to demand a division (per pages 274-275 of RONR) as the motion deals with three separate By-laws? And why is this the case? I find RONR a bit confusing on this, in one section is claims that the majority rules, while in another it allows a single member to overrule everyone else on the same issue (i.e. division of a question.)
  7. Homeowners Association President has history of announcing the winner of a written ballot without numbers to substantiate. We have an amendment to the budget to be voted on by written ballot including many proxyies that may legitimately have more than one vote allowed , how do we call for the number of yeas and nays? Can we challenge the count by calling "Division".
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