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  1. A shareholder recently contacted our president 30 days after our our last annual meeting that a vote that had been conducted was out of order, and the shareholder demanded that the president nullify the vote. We generally now agree that the vote was likely out of order, but during the meeting, no one asked for a point of order following the motions, and the motion passed. My very basic understanding is that since no one asked for a point of order at the time of the motion that subsequent vote/action remains valid. Can a vote be overturned after a meeting has been adjourned? Thank yo
  2. If bylaws of a society requires electing office by ballot, and the society did it by voice, the action should be what RONR 12ed. 23:6(e) says. If a member is allowed to call for a point of order when there is no business pending, the point of order is a main motion. Is it correct?
  3. Is there any situation where a point of order that has been appealed can be tabled until the next meeting to give the group who will be voting time to research it?
  4. I recently chaired a meeting and want to make sure I followed the rules. At the conclusion of debate (the special rules of order set an overall time limit on debate), a member stood to be recognized, was recognized, and moved to extend debate by two minutes. The motion was seconded and failed. This same member then stood to be recognized, was recognized, and moved to extend debate by one minute. The motion was seconded and failed. The same member then stood to be recognized, was recognized, and moved to extend debate by 45 seconds. I ruled the motion dilatory, as it seemed clear
  5. Ok...short synopsis of what I face...this is an extension of my previous question regarding resignation/quorum concerns. This blow up took place in January meeting because after consulting with an attorney a course of action was deemed not legally sustained by our current bylaws and even though the direction was supported by the POA members unanimous vote in 2015 the correct paper work was not presented and filed by our former attorney. Some members, who clearly wanted to exploit our weak moment argued that rather than allow the attorney to draw up corrected documents to remedy that, we s
  6. Our society uses RONR (11th ed.) as our parliamentary authority. At a recent special meeting of our society, a point of order as an incidental main motion was raised by the chair and declared well taken. This point was not mentioned in the call to the meeting (nor on a prepared agenda distributed beforehand). The point was concerning a supposed violation, around a year prior, of a rule in the bylaws requiring a vote to be taken by ballot, which would qualify it as exempt from the timeliness requirement of points of order (RONR p. 251 ll. 20-23). Those voted in under the supposed violation
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    Point of Order

    Can the parliamentarian raise a "point of order" during the meeting?
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    Ballot to Dissolve

    I am the incorporator and founder of our guild which was established 8 years ago. Our bylaws require Ballots to be sent out and members allowed 30 days to vote. The deadline is specified on the ballot. The bylaws also allow 10% of the membership to request amendments to the bylaws by written request. A group of members wanting to kill our guild showed up at a regular meeting and without prior notice made a motion dissolve the guild. They passed out pieces of paper for the members in attendance to vote whether they want to put out a ballot to dissolve the guild. 10% of our
  9. If there is a non-member who is attending a meeting of an organization as a guest, and they notice an error regarding parliamentary procedure, are they allowed to make a point of order, or get someone to make one on their behalf, and then they speak about the matter to the chair? If a guest at a meeting is not actually a parliamentarian and not officially serving in that role, but the guest is the most well-versed on parliamentary procedure, can the chair utilize that person for assistance with parliamentary procedure issues?
  10. If the chair is persuaded during debate on an appeal that his ruling on a point of order was erroneous, may he withdraw the ruling before it becomes precedent, or at least inform the assembly of his change of mind during his second speech at the close of debate? The former alternative would be analogous to a member withdrawing (or seeking permission to withdraw) a motion, although I can find no reference in RONR that would justify the chair withdrawing a ruling. The latter alternative would be similar to a member arguing against his own motion, which no member is allowed to do. What’s the
  11. Our Annual HOA (Homeowner's Assoc.) meeting was conducted very loosely with no opportunity for discussion before voting. There was a Quorum. Proxies were submitted. Notes were taken by the Sec'y. No one raised any Points of Order. It was my first meeting. Certain items that passed involved raising everyone's Assoc. Dues. Q: Is that meeting's Business and voting now Null and Void? Q: Board of Directors President has called for a SPECIAL MEETING to resolve the mess and someone questions the NEED for this new SPECIAL MEETING and I am left wondering how to respond.
  12. There are some actions which, upon a timely Point of Order, will turn: (a.) an adopted motion; into (b.) a null-and-void motion. *** There are at least three kinds of behavior which will trigger the above change: (1.) Previous notice was insufficient. -- A member(s) was/were not mailed the notice. (2.) A member(s) was/were not allowed to attend a meeting. (3.) A member(s) was/were not allowed to vote at a meeting. *** Of the above listed behaviors, there is a circumstance where (a.) the adopted motion will stand.
  13. Hello, This Tuesday our student government voted to pass a motion affirming the results of the election commission. However, it has come to my attention that a portion of the election commission bylaws violates students' fundamental rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. The election results were tabulated with deductions for campaign violations, as per the election bylaws. For example, a candidate violated the university's posting policy and 80 votes were subtracted from his vote total, causing him to lose the election. There is no mechanism for appeal. If this action is
  14. As Charter Organization for a Boy Scout Troop our sports club voted 2 years ago to issue 2 key cards to the senior troop leaders so they could access our clubhouse on meeting nights. Recently, with no reference to the previously approved motion, a motion was approved to pull the key cards since the troop leaders since they are not also club members and that a club member must now be present at every meeting. Because the recent motion did not specifically refer to the orginal motion was the motion and subsequent vote a breach and point of order? As I understand it, the original motion is still
  15. This may not be a question that can be answered in this forum, but here goes. At a County Commission meeting a motion was made and approved to pay a company money if they would move into the county and agree to hire XX number of employees within a few years. Time passes and a new County Commission is in place. Is there any obligation for the new Commission to honor the previously approved agreement with out a contract ?
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    When is "Rising to a Point of Order" action to be used? Can it be used if the Chairman has allowed the meeting to get out of hand and if not what can be used by a member to bring meeting back to an orderly process? What about a Council Member?
  17. If the presiding officer skips over a particular order of business or item of agenda, would it be OK to raise attention to that error by raising a point of order or should a member always use "call for the orders of the day"?
  18. In our organization our constitution states that: the duties of all officers shall be according to Robert's rules of Order, current Edition. I read in RONR p. 470, ll 15-17 that “All points of order and appeals, whether sustained or lost, together with the reasons given by the chair for his or her ruling” should be included in the minutes. I raised a point of order on a matter two meeting ago and the minutes from that meeting have already been approved. However, there is no mentioned that a point of order was ever raised or what the chair’s ruling was! How should I proceed so that the minut
  19. What steps can be taken if a Chairman is unwilling to rule on a point of order? We have asked that that the chairman give a ruling of well taken or not well taken and he will not. Without this ruling we cannot continue with Board business, correct? Any direction will be greatly appreciated.
  20. Our bylaws for PTO state "These bylaws may be amended at any regular or special meeting, providing that previous notice was given in writing at the prior meeting and then sent to all members of the organization by the secretary. Amendments will be approved by a two-thirds vote of those present, assuming a quorum." Written notice was sent to the members prior to the monthly regular meeting in February stating the proposed changes(2/5/14). The meeting was postponed due to weather and held 2/12. The proposed changes were read and it was stated they had previously been sent in writing and posted
  21. I understand that a voting body can usurp their by-laws if they vote to do so. But if the body does not vote to do so, and the chair allows an illegal vote to be taken and doesn't allow for points of order, then my question has several paths: Is the vote valid and/or binding or is it void? If the vote (highly contested) is allowed to stand - are there legal repercussions?
  22. There were two motions made at a meeting last month. Motion 1: Moved that Section B be deleted from the proposed policy: "Children using X must be 14 years of age or under." This motion was defeated. Then the following motion was proposed, and it passed: Motion 2: Moved that Section B be amended to read, "Children using X should be 14 years of age or under." A member is now suggesting that the second motion is null and void, since it effectively counteracts the point of the proposed policy (i.e. keeping big people from using X), and the deletion of that policy was already defeated at
  23. How does one assembly (a special meeting of the membership) raise a point of order about a continuing breach of the Rules by another (the board)? The breach in question is clear, leaving no room for interpretation, and satisfies the other requirements in RONR. The Board has been notified informally, but to no avail.
  24. Our committee has been meeting even though it has fewer members than the minimum required by the bylaws. It is not a question of a quorum; a sufficient number of members were simply not appointed "promptly" after the Annual General Meeting (held three months ago) as required by the bylaws. As no one is disputing the meaning of "prompt" it is not a question of interpretation. Should the chair raise the point herself, declare the meeting and/or any previous actions invalid and simply report the issue to the parent body (i.e. the Board) whose responsibility it is to make the appointments?
  25. Point of order is raised in contentious debate over a motion - does the point of order get included in the minutes?
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