Guest Bob Smith :) Posted March 3, 2011 at 06:54 PM Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 at 06:54 PM What if there is not a quorum but they say there is just so they can pass a vote they want to take? They just count the No's and subtract them from what is suppose to be a quorom at a meeting. 1/2 the people already left. Should there not have been a count to make sure there was a quorum before the vote was taken and a motion was passed?? One would think so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tctheatc Posted March 3, 2011 at 07:02 PM Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 at 07:02 PM You could call for a division of the assembly (RONR pp 270-273.) This would show who's voting yes and no.Additionally, you could bring it to the attention of the chair when it's noticed that a quorum no longer exists, if that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted March 3, 2011 at 07:04 PM Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 at 07:04 PM [quote name=Bob Smith ' date='03 March 2011 - 12:54 PM' timestamp='1299178461' post='41981]What if there is not a quorum but they say there is just so they can pass a vote they want to take? They just count the No's and subtract them from what is suppose to be a quorom at a meeting. 1/2 the people already left. Should there not have been a count to make sure there was a quorum before the vote was taken and a motion was passed?? One would think so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted March 3, 2011 at 07:04 PM Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 at 07:04 PM [quote name=Bob Smith ' date='03 March 2011 - 12:54 PM' timestamp='1299178461' post='41981]What if there is not a quorum but they say there is just so they can pass a vote they want to take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tctheatc Posted March 3, 2011 at 08:18 PM Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 at 08:18 PM I'm not entirely clear how a Division of the Assembly would help determine whether a quorum is present.I'm not surprised! That was in response to the complaint of how the vote itself was taken, which was improper regardless of whether a quorum was present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted March 3, 2011 at 08:21 PM Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 at 08:21 PM I'm not surprised! That was in response to the complaint of how the vote itself was taken, which was improper regardless of whether a quorum was present.Well, while I agree that the vote appears to have been taken incorrectly, I'm not sure how a Division of the Assembly would help with that either. A Division of the Assembly is used to demand a rising vote when a voice vote was taken originally, but if the chair was capable of counting the no votes, it does not seem that a voice vote was taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tctheatc Posted March 3, 2011 at 08:32 PM Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 at 08:32 PM Well, while I agree that the vote appears to have been taken incorrectly, I'm not sure how a Division of the Assembly would help with that either. A Division of the Assembly is used to demand a rising vote when a voice vote was taken originally, but if the chair was capable of counting the no votes, it does not seem that a voice vote was taken.I'm going by this: RONR p 270 l 23: "Whenever a member doubts the result of a voice vote or a vote by show of hands - either because the result appears close or because he doubts that a representative number of the members present have voted - ...."It seems that a voice vote previously is not required, and a show of hands could be the case, so the no votes were counted. It also seems to me that the OP has doubts as to the votes of those present. he's claiming there were not the number of yes votes that the chair stated. It certainly seems to me that a division would better show the number of yes votes, and clear up the ambiguity.I don't claim to be an expert by any means, nor do I suppose my suggestion was the best that could be offered. But it sure seems to fit the description quoted and would clear up some (intentional) ambiguity by forcing the chair to count the votes legitimately.(added) also, p 272 line 35 "I doubt the result of the vote" seems to be exactly what the OP was describing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted March 3, 2011 at 08:36 PM Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 at 08:36 PM I'm going by this: RONR p 270 l 23: "Whenever a member doubts the result of a voice vote or a vote by show of hands - either because the result appears close or because he doubts that a representative number of the members present have voted - ...."Well, you win. I guess I should have brushed up on pg. 270 before arguing this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tctheatc Posted March 3, 2011 at 08:39 PM Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 at 08:39 PM Well thank you for that kind expression, but I am very aware that I am learning here much more than I am ever offering by way of explanation or clarity. No winning or losing to be sure. Matter of fact, I appreciate your challenge because it made me go back and read it even more closely so I understand it even better. In that respect, I do win, so thank you, Josh! I appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Smith :) Posted March 4, 2011 at 01:08 AM Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 at 01:08 AM The problem lies that it was not challenged during the meeting. So I can assume there is no recourse. I thank you for your responses and I truly enjoyed seeing the knowledge of RR's that you both have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted March 7, 2011 at 05:03 AM Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 at 05:03 AM [quote name=Bob Smith ' date='03 March 2011 - 07:08 PM' timestamp='1299200923' post='42070]The problem lies that it was not challenged during the meeting. So I can assume there is no recourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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