Guest loose Posted May 16, 2011 at 12:00 AM Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 at 12:00 AM I know p. 643 l. - you appeal the chair's ruling. But how can you appeal if there's no meeting in which to do so?And how can you form much of an argument when the issue is over a patent violation of basic parliamentary procedure?And why submit it to the group when it's not up to them - it's parliamentary common law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest loose Posted May 16, 2011 at 12:10 AM Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 at 12:10 AM I know p. 642 l.10-23 - you appeal the chair's ruling. But how can you appeal if there's no meeting in which to do so?And how can you form much of an argument when the issue is over a patent violation of basic parliamentary procedure?And why submit it to the group when it's not up to them - it's parliamentary common law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted May 16, 2011 at 12:17 AM Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 at 12:17 AM I know p. 643 l. - you appeal the chair's ruling. But how can you appeal if there's no meeting in which to do so?And how can you form much of an argument when the issue is over a patent violation of basic parliamentary procedure?And why submit it to the group when it's not up to them - it's parliamentary common law?First, ask the chairman why he is not calling the meeting to order. Then, if no valid reason is given, ask the vice-president, and then the secretary, to call the meeting to order. If they both refuse, do it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted May 16, 2011 at 12:31 AM Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 at 12:31 AM I know p. 643 l. - you appeal the chair's ruling. But how can you appeal if there's no meeting in which to do so?And how can you form much of an argument when the issue is over a patent violation of basic parliamentary procedure?And why submit it to the group when it's not up to them - it's parliamentary common law?Do you mean to say that the membership (or perhaps board) has gathered at the usual meeting place, at a scheduled meeting time, and the chair is there but does not call the meeting to order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest loose Posted May 16, 2011 at 12:41 AM Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 at 12:41 AM Do you mean to say that the membership (or perhaps board) has gathered at the usual meeting place, at a scheduled meeting time, and the chair is there but does not call the meeting to order?That's right. We are held captive for 1 hour 45 minutes till chairman is satisfied we have reached a "consensus." Then he asks for a "motion" to begin the meeting. The notion is that we shoot the breeze first, collecting ideas for motions, in a "non-Robert's Rules" part of the meeting. I am trying to educate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted May 16, 2011 at 01:09 AM Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 at 01:09 AM That's right. We are held captive for 1 hour 45 minutes till chairman is satisfied we have reached a "consensus." Then he asks for a "motion" to begin the meeting. The notion is that we shoot the breeze first, collecting ideas for motions, in a "non-Robert's Rules" part of the meeting. I am trying to educate.Well, if page 24 lines 12-14 won't get your chair straightened out, perhaps Chapter XX will. Your procedure is not how the Book lays it out, but if the membership goes along with it, there you are. It may be of little use to bring RONR's corrective procedures to bear without the support of the group. Until then, Mr. Gerber's advice holds. Good luck. You might also refer your chair to RONR (10th Ed.) pages 1-643 for additional information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Goldsworthy Posted May 16, 2011 at 01:19 AM Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 at 01:19 AM Q. Where is you VICE president or VICE chair, while all this hemming and hawing is going on?Why doesn't SOMEONE ELSE start that dang-blasted meeting?Why are you letting yourself (collectively speaking) be held hostage by a single ignorant chair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Lages Posted May 16, 2011 at 03:39 PM Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 at 03:39 PM Meeting or no meeting, I'm dying to hear more about this "patent violation of basic parliamentary procedure". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted May 16, 2011 at 03:45 PM Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 at 03:45 PM Then he asks for a "motion" to begin the meeting. You can't have a motion to begin the meeting, because motions take place inside a meeting. I suppose there's a vote taken outside this meeting as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted May 16, 2011 at 05:16 PM Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 at 05:16 PM Meeting or no meeting, I'm dying to hear more about this "patent violation of basic parliamentary procedure".I think the fact that a meeting should be promptly called to order at the scheduled time is pretty basic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 16, 2011 at 06:14 PM Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 at 06:14 PM It is the duty of the chair to call the meeting to order promptly at the appointed time. If the chair is routinely derelict in his duties, he should be censured and if that doesn't do the trick, replaced. It is impossible to have a motion to start a meeting because the meeting is not in session before it is, er, in session.This chair sounds thoroughly clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted May 16, 2011 at 09:23 PM Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 at 09:23 PM Well, if page 24 lines 12-14 won't get your chair straightened out, perhaps Chapter XX will. Your procedure is not how the Book lays it out, but if the membership goes along with it, there you are. It may be of little use to bring RONR's corrective procedures to bear without the support of the group. Until then, Mr. Gerber's advice holds. Good luck. You might also refer your chair to RONR (10th Ed.) pages 1-643 for additional information.I'd forgotten that this is a long-running problem in loose's organization, and I'm not sure why it's been brought up again here at this time (and without mentioning the facts of the case until prompted).If this problem hasn't been resolved among the group by now, it's not going to be resolved by a member suddenly taking the chair at one meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted May 17, 2011 at 12:59 AM Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 at 12:59 AM I'd forgotten that this is a long-running problem in loose's organization, and I'm not sure why it's been brought up again here at this time Hey, he started it, not me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted May 17, 2011 at 05:15 PM Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 at 05:15 PM Hey, he started it, not me!!Yeah, but you're the one who told him to take my advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted May 17, 2011 at 05:38 PM Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 at 05:38 PM Yeah, but you're the one who told him to take my advice. Lesson learned.(Hey, loose - ignore post #3 !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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