Guest guest_larry Posted May 31, 2011 at 06:19 PM Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 at 06:19 PM In a recent council meeting, a member voted "pass" on a resolution. It is my understanding that a "pass" vote is not a recordable vote and when the roll call is completed that individual's name is called again for a vote. Is that correct? In this situation the vote was recorded in the minutes as "pass" and nothing else done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted May 31, 2011 at 08:18 PM Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 at 08:18 PM "Each member, as his name is called, responds in the affirmative or negative as shown above. If he does not wish to vote, he answers present (or abstain). If he is not ready to vote, but wishes to be called on again after the roll has been completely called, he answers pass." RONR, p. 406 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted May 31, 2011 at 08:33 PM Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 at 08:33 PM In a recent council meeting, a member voted "pass" on a resolution. It is my understanding that a "pass" vote is not a recordable vote and when the roll call is completed that individual's name is called again for a vote. Is that correct? In this situation the vote was recorded in the minutes as "pass" and nothing else done.Yes... except it's not a "pass" vote, since it's not a vote at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted May 31, 2011 at 09:45 PM Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 at 09:45 PM "Each member, as his name is called, responds in the affirmative or negative as shown above. If he does not wish to vote, he answers present (or abstain). If he is not ready to vote, but wishes to be called on again after the roll has been completely called, he answers pass." RONR, p. 406I agree. It seems, though, that the councilman was not perplexed when his name was not called again, so my guess is that this body has confounded "pass" and "abstain". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 31, 2011 at 10:03 PM Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 at 10:03 PM In a recent council meeting, a member voted "pass" on a resolution. It is my understanding that a "pass" vote is not a recordable vote and when the roll call is completed that individual's name is called again for a vote. Is that correct? In this situation the vote was recorded in the minutes as "pass" and nothing else done.One wonders why he didn't open his mouth when the vote was about to be announced and note that he was not called upon a second time.Too late now. It comes under the "you snooze, you lose" rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmtcastle Posted May 31, 2011 at 10:07 PM Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 at 10:07 PM It seems, though, that the councilman was not perplexed when his name was not called again, so my guess is that this body has confounded "pass" and "abstain".One wonders why he didn't open his mouth when the vote was about to be announced and note that he was not called upon a second time.It seems perfectly reasonable to think that "pass" means "pass" and not "ask me again after you've asked everyone else". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted May 31, 2011 at 10:09 PM Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 at 10:09 PM It seems perfectly reasonable to think that "pass" means "pass" and not "ask me again after you've asked everyone else".Except perhaps to our guest Larry, and anyone familiar with page 406. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted May 31, 2011 at 10:10 PM Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 at 10:10 PM It seems perfectly reasonable to think that "pass" means "pass" and not "ask me again after you've asked everyone else".It also seems perfectly reasonable to think that "Lay on the Table" has something to do with taking a nap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 31, 2011 at 10:17 PM Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 at 10:17 PM It seems perfectly reasonable to think that "pass" means "pass" and not "ask me again after you've asked everyone else".But that is exactly what pass means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmtcastle Posted May 31, 2011 at 10:25 PM Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 at 10:25 PM But that is exactly what pass means.Well, it means that in RONR-Land but one needn't wonder why some might think it means what it says. I'm not saying one doesn't have a certain obligation to learn the nomenclature, I'm just saying that the meanings of a few of the terms used in RONR are not exactly intuitive. Such as what's "previous" about the previous question and what's "executive" about an executive session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 31, 2011 at 10:42 PM Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 at 10:42 PM Well, it means that in RONR-Land but one needn't wonder why some might think it means what it says. I'm not saying one doesn't have a certain obligation to learn the nomenclature, I'm just saying that the meanings of a few of the terms used in RONR are not exactly intuitive. Such as what's "previous" about the previous question and what's "executive" about an executive session.I think that the meaning of "pass" is consistent with "pass me by now, but come back to me later". Anyone who has ever watched a political convention roll-call of the states has seen it used in exactly that way.But it is possible the voter was making a pass at the secretary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted May 31, 2011 at 11:55 PM Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 at 11:55 PM Well, it means that in RONR-Land but one needn't wonder why some might think it means what it says. Your point is clearer than any of us are admitting... and I'm sure we all know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.