Guest Carol Posted June 2, 2011 at 03:27 PM Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 at 03:27 PM When can a Ballot vote be declare as illegal and can Department Parliamentarian order this in a unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted June 2, 2011 at 03:39 PM Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 at 03:39 PM When can a Ballot vote be declare as illegalGive us the circumstance you have in mind.and can Department Parliamentarian order this in a unit?RONR doesn't give the parliamentarian the authority to order anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted June 2, 2011 at 04:00 PM Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 at 04:00 PM RONR doesn't give the parliamentarian the authority to order anything.Perhaps his own meal, but that's about the extent of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted June 2, 2011 at 04:16 PM Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 at 04:16 PM When can a Ballot vote be declare as illegalWhen a violation has occurred, although a Point of Order must be made immediately unless the violation is in the nature of a continuing breach. Since I have a feeling this is not a hypothetical situation, this will be much easier if you would provide more details.can Department Parliamentarian order this in a unit?No. The role of the parliamentarian is simply to advise the chair. He could advise the chair that the ballot should be null and void, but it would be the chair who must actually make the ruling (and the ruling is subject to Appeal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carol Posted June 2, 2011 at 05:06 PM Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 at 05:06 PM The vote was 26 to 14 so the president was elected but the loser wrote to department say that there was votes already in the container before the meeting was even started, so parliamentary wrote my secretary a letter stating she should order a meeting and have a revote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted June 2, 2011 at 05:30 PM Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 at 05:30 PM The vote was 26 to 14 so the president was elected but the loser wrote to department say that there was votes already in the container before the meeting was even started, so parliamentary wrote my secretary a letter stating she should order a meeting and have a revote.Well, if the member's claim is true, and if there were enough votes in the ballot box that they could have changed the result, then the chair should rule that the election is null and void and the assembly should have another vote. The Parliamentarian may advise the chair to do so, but she has no authority to order it on her own. If the member's claim is not true, or if it is true but there were not enough votes to have changed the result, then the result stands.Does the member have any evidence to support his claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted June 2, 2011 at 06:10 PM Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 at 06:10 PM The vote was 26 to 14 so the president was elected but the loser wrote to department say that there was votes already in the container before the meeting was even started, so parliamentary wrote my secretary a letter stating she should order a meeting and have a revote.Something is flashing back to me from about 40 years ago that sounds like "what did he know, and when did he know it." Did this member observe the ballots in the ballot box prior to the call to order and not say anything at that moment? That would have been a really good time to speak up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carol Posted June 2, 2011 at 06:35 PM Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 at 06:35 PM Something is flashing back to me from about 40 years ago that sounds like "what did he know, and when did he know it." Did this member observe the ballots in the ballot box prior to the call to order and not say anything at that moment? That would have been a really good time to speak up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted June 3, 2011 at 07:25 AM Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 at 07:25 AM Lord, David, you're old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted June 3, 2011 at 11:19 AM Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 at 11:19 AM Lord, David, you're old.I prefer experienced, or wizened, or even ageless, although my recent cabbage experience tested that theory pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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