Guest Iris Long Posted July 21, 2011 at 06:54 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 06:54 PM Hello,I have a question about Agendas. In a set of (HOA) Bylaws, what it written is that "the order of business shall be.."I submitted suggestions for the Agenda and received a response stating "someone put a meeting agenda in our initiating by-laws." The impression this gave me is that because the "order of business" is in the Bylaws, there was no allowance for variance. I believe Robert's Rules allow for flexibility. Perhaps you can comment and provide applicable sections of RONR? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted July 21, 2011 at 07:03 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 07:03 PM Specifically, what do you want to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Iris Long Posted July 21, 2011 at 07:11 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 07:11 PM Thanks for your reply. I think the main point is to have the Agenda reflect what is going on with the HOA and reflect the major issues the organization needs to address instead of having one or two people say what will be on the Agenda of the Board of Directors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted July 21, 2011 at 07:13 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 07:13 PM Thanks for your reply. I think the main point is to have the Agenda reflect what is going on with the HOA and reflect the major issues the organization needs to address instead of having one or two people say what will be on the Agenda of the Board of Directors.Perhaps a good start is to have the order of business removed from the bylaws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Iris Long Posted July 21, 2011 at 07:24 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 07:24 PM not likely, but as I asked before, aren't there sections of RONR that apply to raise a point? The Bylaws should be updated anyway, but that is another difficult topic for this Board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted July 21, 2011 at 07:28 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 07:28 PM not likely, but as I asked before, aren't there sections of RONR that apply to raise a point? The Bylaws should be updated anyway, but that is another difficult topic for this Board.Apparently you want to amend an established order of business found in your bylaws to better fit the needs of the group in today's world, so no, there really aren't any quick fixes which get to the heart of the problem (which I'm still not sure what the problem is exactly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Iris Long Posted July 21, 2011 at 07:35 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 07:35 PM Thanks. You do understand the problem. Your point is exactly right, and so I'll look at RONR some more, too, unless you can help by giving pages and section numbers??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted July 21, 2011 at 07:48 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 07:48 PM Thanks. You do understand the problem. Your point is exactly right, and so I'll look at RONR some more, too, unless you can help by giving pages and section numbers???I encourage you to read it but there are no quick fixes in it. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:00 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:00 PM I encourage you to read it but there are no quick fixes in it. Good luck.Well, can't the order of business specified in the bylaws be suspended during a meeting by a two-thirds vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:01 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:01 PM Perhaps a good start is to have the order of business removed from the bylaws?Then you would be left with the order of business in RONR, which would arguably be even less tailored to the needs of the organization.I think a distinction should be drawn between an order of business, which simply tells which classes of business are handled in what order, and an actual agenda, which lists particular items of business to be dealt with.Regardless of the actual order of business in the bylaws, it is certainly more general than an agenda would be, and if it is preventing members from bringing up business that they want considered, then it is quite likely that someone is misinterpreting or misrepresenting what it actually means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:03 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:03 PM Then you would be left with the order of business in RONR, which would arguably be even less tailored to the needs of the organization.Oh, Gary, it's been tried and true and serving 95% of the organizations in the U.S. for over 100 years........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Iris Long Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:17 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:17 PM Yes good point: the Agenda is distinct from the Order of Business and more specific. That's part of our problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:34 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:34 PM Well, can't the order of business specified in the bylaws be suspended during a meeting by a two-thirds vote?Yes, subject to the restrictions on p. 255-256, but I think she wants something a bit less tedious and more long-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tctheatc Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:42 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:42 PM yikes! what could be in the bylaws for an order of business that's so restrictive and specific that it (apparently) prohibits bringing up a motion/item under new business (or something similar)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:48 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:48 PM Oh, Gary, it's been tried and true and serving 95% of the organizations in the U.S. for over 100 years........I never said there was anything wrong with it. In fact, it's very likely true just because it is less tailored, rather than in spite of the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:50 PM Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 at 08:50 PM Yes good point: the Agenda is distinct from the Order of Business and more specific. That's part of our problem.Well, what, if anything is forcing you to use an agenda at all, when the order of business is usually enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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