Debra McCormack Posted October 11, 2011 at 03:59 AM Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 at 03:59 AM If the Bylaws of an organization call for an election by ballots and the Parliamentarian says they do not have to be used and takes a vote from the floor are the election results legal?The general membership does not know the rules about ballots, shouldn't the Parlimentarian?Can just anyone say they are a Parlimentarian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted October 11, 2011 at 04:25 AM Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 at 04:25 AM [1] If the Bylaws of an organization call for an election by ballots and the Parliamentarian says they do not have to be used and takes a vote from the floor are the election results legal?[2] The general membership does not know the rules about ballots, shouldn't the Parlimentarian?[3] Can just anyone say they are a Parlimentarian?1. We don't do "legal" but RONR provides that if the bylaws require that an election be held by ballot, that rule cannot be suspended--not even by a unanimous vote. And certainly not by an ill-informed parliamentarian.2. Yes.3. Apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra McCormack Posted October 11, 2011 at 06:05 AM Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 at 06:05 AM What are the qualifications to call yourself a Parlimentarian?I paid for a an opinion from an organization recommended by the City of Tampa and our Parlimentarian choses to ignore it. It was the same answer. I am the Past-President and still on the board.What to do? Bring it before membership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Hunt Posted October 11, 2011 at 06:35 AM Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 at 06:35 AM 1. We don't do "legal" but RONR provides that if the bylaws require that an election be held by ballot, that rule cannot be suspended--not even by a unanimous vote. And certainly not by an ill-informed parliamentarian.I would tack on a note that an election taken in contradiction to such a requirement is entirely null and void and that, accordingly, the timeliness requirement for a Point of Order does not apply. The correct thing to do is to raise a Point of Order regarding the election at the next meeting. If possible, you should provide notice to the membership of this so that new elections can be held fairly.I'd provide citations for you, but all the copies of the 11th edition I've been able to get my hands on have been defective; read the sections on elections (which explain that a requirement to hold an election by ballot is unsuspendable so as to preserve the right to object anonymously), Point of Order, and probably Appeal.As for use of the title Parliamentarian, my understanding is that it is generally an unprotected term and thus anyone can use it. That said, I'm sure J.D. Stackpole can jump in with his text about the National Association of Parliamentarians and the American Institute of Parliamentarians along with advice on how to contact them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted October 11, 2011 at 10:53 AM Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 at 10:53 AM I'd provide citations for you, but all the copies of the 11th edition I've been able to get my hands on have been defective;On the off chance that I received a copy that was initially meant for you (and if so, I am duly sorry), how can I tell if it's defective?As for use of the title Parliamentarian, my understanding is that it is generally an unprotected term and thus anyone can use it. That said, I'm sure J.D. Stackpole can jump in with his text about the National Association of Parliamentarians and the American Institute of Parliamentarians along with advice on how to contact them.I'm not Dr. Stackpole, nor do I play him on TV. But I feel confident he would say to you...........Contact either (or both) theNational Association of Parliamentarians213 South Main St.Independence, MO 64050-3850Phone: 888-627-2929Fax: 816-833-3893;e-mail: hq@NAP2.orgwww.parliamentarians.orgorAmerican Institute of Parliamentarians550M Ritchie Highway #271Severna Park, MD 21146Phone: 888-664-0428Fax: 410-544-4640www.aipparl.orgfor a reference or information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Hunt Posted October 11, 2011 at 02:35 PM Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 at 02:35 PM On the off chance that I received a copy that was initially meant for you (and if so, I am duly sorry), how can I tell if it's defective?pp. 240-263 or thereabouts are missing and the next however many are doubled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted October 11, 2011 at 05:11 PM Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 at 05:11 PM pp. 240-263 or thereabouts are missing and the next however many are doubled.Can you be more specific about the page numbers affected?Also, if you own any defective copies, please call Perseus at 800-343-4499 so they can replace them for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Hunt Posted October 11, 2011 at 08:47 PM Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 at 08:47 PM Can you be more specific about the page numbers affected?Also, if you own any defective copies, please call Perseus at 800-343-4499 so they can replace them for you.Once I get my hands on a good copy, I will tell you specifically which page numbers. The bookstore involved gladly returned them, and I've ordered from an online retailer for a similar price, so I'm not that upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GcT Posted October 12, 2011 at 04:11 AM Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 at 04:11 AM Why did you abandon the independent bookstore? They're the backbone of democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Hunt Posted October 12, 2011 at 07:35 AM Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 at 07:35 AM Why did you abandon the independent bookstore? They're the backbone of democracy.They were, I am sad to admit, a chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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