Guest Chris Posted October 26, 2011 at 03:58 AM Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 at 03:58 AM RR states that to make a motion to reconsider a motion, one must have voted on the prevailing side regarding the original motion. If the vote for the original motion was blind, with nobody knowing for certain who voted one way or another, how is one to verify whether the individual making the motion to reconsider the motion actually was on the prevailing side of the original vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burke Balch Posted October 26, 2011 at 04:05 AM Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 at 04:05 AM "A member who voted by ballot may make the motion [to reconsider] if he is willing to waive the secrecy of his ballot." RONR (11th ed.), p. 316, ll. 1-2. The chair and assembly simply have to take the voter's word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted October 26, 2011 at 10:24 AM Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 at 10:24 AM RR states that to make a motion to reconsider a motion, one must have voted on the prevailing side regarding the original motion. If the vote for the original motion was blind, with nobody knowing for certain who voted one way or another, how is one to verify whether the individual making the motion to reconsider the motion actually was on the prevailing side of the original vote?Presumably the person making the motion knows for certain how he voted. He should state that fact when making the motion, or the chair should inquire. Unless there is evidence to the contrary, the chair would have no reason not to accept his word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted October 26, 2011 at 01:09 PM Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 at 01:09 PM RR states that to make a motion to reconsider a motion, one must have voted on the prevailing side regarding the original motion. If the vote for the original motion was blind, with nobody knowing for certain who voted one way or another, how is one to verify whether the individual making the motion to reconsider the motion actually was on the prevailing side of the original vote?It's the honor system. People often shutter at the thought of this, but keep in mind that when the vote is taken by voice, there is no real way to verify how an individual member voted, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryanSullo Posted October 26, 2011 at 01:17 PM Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 at 01:17 PM Could a Point of Order be raised, and a vote taken, on whether or not the member actually did vote on the prevailing side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted October 26, 2011 at 01:22 PM Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 at 01:22 PM Could a Point of Order be raised, and a vote taken, on whether or not the member actually did vote on the prevailing side?No point of order can be raised based upon a claim that the member is lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryanSullo Posted October 26, 2011 at 01:32 PM Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 at 01:32 PM No point of order can be raised based upon a claim that the member is lying.The member might not be lying. He might simply not know the rule. It seems that someone who was sitting next to him when he voted, could validly consider that the rules of order are not being followed (without implying that the member is lying). Of course, I don't know how a majority of the assembly could possibly know how a single member voted (unless he stood up and shook his fist in the air while hollering "No!"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted October 26, 2011 at 01:39 PM Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 at 01:39 PM The initial question assumed a "blind" - I assume that means secret or ballot - vote. So there is nothing to go by other than the voter's word. The presiding office is free to ask "How did the member vote" (reference someone? I can't spot it easily but "I know it is there"), so the voter can't claim he didn't know (by implication) the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted October 26, 2011 at 01:39 PM Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 at 01:39 PM The member might not be lying. He might simply not know the rule. It seems that someone who was sitting next to him when he voted, could validly consider that the rules of order are not being followed (without implying that the member is lying). Of course, I don't know how a majority of the assembly could possibly know how a single member voted (unless he stood up and shook his fist in the air while hollering "No!").Well, I thought we were talking about a ballot vote, but anyway, look at page 330, lines 34-36. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryanSullo Posted October 26, 2011 at 01:55 PM Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 at 01:55 PM I didn't realize "blind" equated to "ballot". Sorry for the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted October 26, 2011 at 02:42 PM Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 at 02:42 PM RONR didn't realize it either -- I was just guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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