HAWVET Posted February 16, 2012 at 05:09 AM Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 at 05:09 AM Edited the entire questionIn smaller clubs where there are about a dozen members at the meeting, how should a member be recognized. Must the person stand or can the person simply raise his/her hand? Can the procedure for small boards be used? If not, can the by-laws be revised to state that the small board procedures will be used in the conduct of meetings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted February 16, 2012 at 11:32 AM Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 at 11:32 AM Do you have RONR 11? See page 16, third bullet point, and page 487, first bullet point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAWVET Posted February 16, 2012 at 06:41 PM Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 at 06:41 PM Thank you for the response. We will have to adopt the rules for smaller assemblies for our club. One more related question. All Presidents/Commanders of the clubs form a Veterans Council with each having the president or a representative at the monthly council meeting. Can this council be considered a board and be governed by the rules on page 487? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted February 17, 2012 at 01:59 AM Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 at 01:59 AM Can this council be considered a board and be governed by the rules on page 487?I'm not entirely sure whether this council would be considered a board, although I would suspect so. As Mr. Foulkes has pointed out, however, a small assembly may also choose to use the small board rules if it wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAWVET Posted February 17, 2012 at 02:22 AM Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 at 02:22 AM Thank you for the response, I think to be safe, we will amend our by laws to use the small board rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g40 Posted February 17, 2012 at 08:11 PM Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 at 08:11 PM In a "small board", as defined in RONR, I thought the RONR rules for such "small boards" applied without the organization having to do anything special (unless that organization had specifically excluded their use).Am I correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted February 17, 2012 at 08:49 PM Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 at 08:49 PM In a "small board", as defined in RONR, I thought the RONR rules for such "small boards" applied without the organization having to do anything special (unless that organization had specifically excluded their use).Am I correct?I think either Dan or SG mentioned (they'll correct me if it wasn't them) the rules for small boards are not automatic for small boards, or, in this case, a small assembly. The rules for small boards and committees would automatically apply to a committee without adopting anything. I think in a case like this where it appears they're using the more formal rules, a special rule of order changing over to the small board procedures is proper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted February 17, 2012 at 10:32 PM Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 at 10:32 PM In a "small board", as defined in RONR, I thought the RONR rules for such "small boards" applied without the organization having to do anything special (unless that organization had specifically excluded their use).Am I correct?I think either Dan or SG mentioned (they'll correct me if it wasn't them) the rules for small boards are not automatic for small boards, or, in this case, a small assembly. The rules for small boards and committees would automatically apply to a committee without adopting anything. I think in a case like this where it appears they're using the more formal rules, a special rule of order changing over to the small board procedures is proper.As I read p. 487 ll. 26-31 the application of small board rules to small boards is automatic ("The rules governing such meetings are different..." -- not may be different), at least as compared to p. 16 ll. 12-15 for small organizations where a rule apparently must be adopted to enable small board rules. But that's how I read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted February 20, 2012 at 05:22 AM Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 at 05:22 AM In a "small board", as defined in RONR, I thought the RONR rules for such "small boards" applied without the organization having to do anything special (unless that organization had specifically excluded their use).Am I correct?For a committee, these rules apply unless its parent assembly instructs it otherwise. For a small board, they apply unless the board chooses otherwise. For an assembly, they do not apply unless the assembly chooses otherwise.In this case, we have one assembly (the club) which is clearly not a board, and one assembly (the Veterans' Council), which sounds like it is probably in the nature of a board, but it's hard to say for sure based only on the facts presented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Britton Posted February 20, 2012 at 07:08 PM Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 at 07:08 PM For a committee, these rules apply unless its parent assembly instructs it otherwise. For a small board, they apply unless the board chooses otherwise. For an assembly, they do not apply unless the assembly chooses otherwise.In this case, we have one assembly (the club) which is clearly not a board, and one assembly (the Veterans' Council), which sounds like it is probably in the nature of a board, but it's hard to say for sure based only on the facts presented.The thread that Mr. Mervosh is referring to is: http://robertsrules....h__1#entry67666The default regarding whether a board does or doesn't follow modified board rules is that they some how determine for themselves, whether they do or don't relax the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted February 20, 2012 at 11:27 PM Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 at 11:27 PM The thread that Mr. Mervosh is referring to is: http://robertsrules....h__1#entry67666The default regarding whether a board does or doesn't follow modified board rules is that they some how determine for themselves, whether they do or don't relax the rules.Hm. So I suppose that this would be handled by the rules governing custom. That is, whether the board follows the small board rules is determined by what the board has done in the past, unless the board votes to do otherwise. (RONR, 11th ed., pg. 19) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Britton Posted February 21, 2012 at 02:42 AM Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 at 02:42 AM Hm. So I suppose that this would be handled by the rules governing custom. That is, whether the board follows the small board rules is determined by what the board has done in the past, unless the board votes to do otherwise. (RONR, 11th ed., pg. 19)Or. a ruling by the chair, subject to appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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