Guest Katie Posted February 24, 2012 at 08:31 PM Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 at 08:31 PM Does a motion need a second before it can be discussed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted February 24, 2012 at 08:41 PM Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 at 08:41 PM Generally, yes. However, there are some motions that do not require a second. Also, in small boards and committees, generally seconds are not required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted February 24, 2012 at 08:45 PM Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 at 08:45 PM ...Although considering the motion without a second (even if one is required) in no way invalidates its disposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted February 24, 2012 at 08:46 PM Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 at 08:46 PM Also, prior to the second being offered, if debate is allowed to commence without any objection (i.e no Point of Order), the lack of a second becomes immaterial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Luke Wegner Posted February 24, 2012 at 08:47 PM Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 at 08:47 PM And once debate (discussion) starts, the lack of a second is immaterial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted February 24, 2012 at 08:50 PM Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 at 08:50 PM ...Although considering the motion without a second (even if one is required) in no way invalidates its disposition.Also, prior to the second being offered, if debate is allowed to commence without any objection (i.e no Point of Order), the lack of a second becomes immaterial.And once debate (discussion) starts, the lack of a second is immaterial.Anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted February 24, 2012 at 08:59 PM Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 at 08:59 PM Anyone else? Edgar should be around here somewhere......... Edgar?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted February 24, 2012 at 09:45 PM Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 at 09:45 PM Does a motion need a second before it can be discussed?Generally, yes. However, there are some motions that do not require a second. Also, in small boards and committees, generally seconds are not required.Aside from motions made in small boards or in committees, and aside from those made upon recommendation by a (board or) committee, can you think of more than one motion (meaning, more than one type of motion) that is debatable but does not require a second? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted February 24, 2012 at 10:46 PM Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 at 10:46 PM Aside from motions made in small boards or in committees, and aside from those made upon recommendation by a (board or) committee, can you think of more than one motion (meaning, more than one type of motion) that is debatable but does not require a second?First, I'm not sure how YOU painted ME into the corner of not being able to count recommendations from a board or committee and not being able to count multiple motions of the same type. Anyway, what the heck, I'll go for it...Okay, we know the first one, that's easy: A Request to be Excused From a Duty. Let's not attempt to stretch a Nomination or Proposal to Fill a Blank into being a motion... So, for the second one... Would you believe...A motion that is the subject of an adopted motion to suspend the rules to allow a member to speak on the merits of an undebatable motion that coincidentally does not require a second? Is that a TYPE of motion? No, I didn't think so. Okay, I'll just go with the winning answer, then...Any motion that is so defined by an organization's special rule of order or bylaws. Also, since you excluded motions "made in small boards or in committees," thereby creating that type of motion as a possibility without fully limiting the qualification, I believe I'm entitled to extra credit for additionally submitting the following correct answer, which is validated by RONR*:Motions made in the small assembly of a society that has adopted a rule that its meetings will be governed by all of the less formal procedures applicable to small boards. RONR (11th ed.), p. 10. You created the loophole, I just jumped through it. (*Sure, it takes an act of the society to make this rule applicable, but the same is true of the rules for small boards and committees, since it requires an act of the society to create a board or committee) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted February 26, 2012 at 12:51 AM Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 at 12:51 AM First, I'm not sure how YOU painted ME into the corner of not being able to count recommendations from a board or committee and not being able to count multiple motions of the same type. Anyway, what the heck, I'll go for it...Okay, we know the first one, that's easy: A Request to be Excused From a Duty. Let's not attempt to stretch a Nomination or Proposal to Fill a Blank into being a motion... So, for the second one... Would you believe...[etc.]No need to jump through loopholes; perhaps I should have stated at the outset that Request to Be Excused from a Duty was the only one I could think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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