Guest Anna Posted March 10, 2012 at 07:35 PM Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 at 07:35 PM Please provide your opinion on this because I know I will see thisbrought up again in my organization:I made a motion to remove a sentence from the minutesand use RONR 10th edition (the edition they use per bylaws) and statedamong other reasons that minutes contain a record of what was done at the meeting,not what was said by the members. p 451 l. 27-29 and thereforewant some (inflamatory) words that were said to be removed from the minutes.On this point the counter argument is to say that if minutes are "published" they can keepit in and they quote "In an ordinary society, unless the minutes are to be published,they should contain mainly a record of what was done at the meeting, not what was said...."RONR (10th ed) p 451 lines 25-28Question (1) Does the word "published" in RONR 10th ed on p 451 refer to that which isdistributed to the public at large for distribution (as for governmental bodies)?Question (2 ) Or does "published" in RONR refer to anything a society (one with rules for membership) decides to print up and give their members?My thinking is "published" as used by RONR does NOT mean anything and everything onceprinted up and sent to members, no matter how many members, is "published" ;but that instead "published" in RONR is a term that refers to making records available tothe general public (through for example distributing it via notices in newspapers andnot restricting nonmember access to records/minutes as per their state law)I have the 11th edition, but the nonprofit corporation in this matter uses RONR 10th edition.(thankfully the words were removed, but I need other viewpoints since this is going to come upagain at future meetings when they want to keep in objectionable sentences or words) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted March 10, 2012 at 07:41 PM Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 at 07:41 PM Does the bylaw article that adopts RONR actually say "10th Edition" or perhaps it says (as it should) "current edition"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted March 10, 2012 at 07:46 PM Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 at 07:46 PM Does the bylaw article that adopts RONR actually say "10th Edition" or perhaps it says (as it should) "current edition"?Would this really matter with regard to the content of the minutes, and the meaning of "published"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted March 10, 2012 at 07:55 PM Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 at 07:55 PM Yes, because the exception for "published minutes" has been struck from what is now p. 468, lines 15-19. (Was on p. 451 in 10th) And the A-team left an extra unnecessary comma behind on line 17.Granted, the minutes contain whatever the assembly wants, but the elimination of "published" here gives Guest Anna a good debating point."Published" will, also of course mean whatever the society wants it to mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anna Posted March 10, 2012 at 08:00 PM Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 at 08:00 PM definately refers to "10th edition" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted March 10, 2012 at 08:20 PM Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 at 08:20 PM Yes, because the exception for "published minutes" has been struck from what is now p. 468, lines 15-19. (Was on p. 451 in 10th) And the A-team left an extra unnecessary comma behind on line 17.Granted, the minutes contain whatever the assembly wants, but the elimination of "published" here gives Guest Anna a good debating point."Published" will, also of course mean whatever the society wants it to mean.The comma belongs where it is; and see page 475, line 266ff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted March 10, 2012 at 08:22 PM Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 at 08:22 PM The comma belongs where it is; and see page 475, line 266ff.Is that in the Deluxe Edition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted March 10, 2012 at 08:26 PM Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 at 08:26 PM Is that in the Deluxe Edition? Yes, sorry, that is the Deluxe Edition reference. It's line 26 in the one you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted March 10, 2012 at 08:32 PM Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 at 08:32 PM The deluxe ed. comes with really really big pages - good for us geezers with less that 20/20 eyesight. Also has big margins for making annotations as to what isn't quite right, comma-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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