Guest Julia Posted October 15, 2012 at 06:37 PM Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 at 06:37 PM If our member organization wants to adopt new Bylaws, do I need a motion for every change? I will present the motion first to the Board, then to the general membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR Posted October 15, 2012 at 07:08 PM Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 at 07:08 PM If the bylaws are being extensively overhauled, then no. You would move to adopt the new set as a revision. This opens up your whole bylaws to debate and amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted October 15, 2012 at 07:22 PM Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 at 07:22 PM If our member organization wants to adopt new Bylaws, do I need a motion for every change? I will present the motion first to the Board, then to the general membership.The revision John mentioned is discussed in RONR (11th ed.), p. 593ff......how notice of the proposed revision is given is almost certainaly specified in your bylaws under the Amendment article and must be followed to the letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest william burrus Posted October 16, 2012 at 01:42 AM Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 at 01:42 AM In the amendment of existing bylaws that require a 2/3 majority for adoption in convention can a Resolution be presented that includes unrelated and non germain Articles of the constitution, ie dues -authority of president to fill vacancies - financial assistance to subordinate body? If adopted, each of these Articles will be ammended by a single vote.Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR Posted October 16, 2012 at 01:53 AM Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 at 01:53 AM Yes, but the resolution should be considered seriatim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted October 16, 2012 at 02:09 PM Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 at 02:09 PM In the amendment of existing bylaws that require a 2/3 majority for adoption in convention can a Resolution be presented that includes unrelated and non germain Articles of the constitution, ie dues -authority of president to fill vacancies - financial assistance to subordinate body? If adopted, each of these Articles will be ammended by a single vote.BillYes, but the resolution should be considered seriatim.Considering such a resolution seriatim does not seem to me a particularly good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR Posted October 16, 2012 at 04:17 PM Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 at 04:17 PM Does this not apply?"A revision of bylaws or a lengthy amendment involving more than one section should be considered seriatim."RONR (11th ed.), p.593, ll. 33-35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted October 16, 2012 at 04:25 PM Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 at 04:25 PM Does this not apply?"A revision of bylaws or a lengthy amendment involving more than one section should be considered seriatim."RONR (11th ed.), p.593, ll. 33-35Shmuel can answer for himself but I agree with him because RONR states "A report or long motion consisting of a series of resolutions, paragraphs, articles, or sections that are not totally separate questions can be considered by opening the different parts to debate and amendment separately, without a division of the question." RONR (11th ed.), p. 276Mr. Burrus indicates otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR Posted October 16, 2012 at 04:39 PM Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 at 04:39 PM Shmuel can answer for himself but I agree with him because RONR states "A report or long motion consisting of a series of resolutions, paragraphs, articles, or sections that are not totally separate questions can be considered by opening the different parts to debate and amendment separately, without a division of the question." RONR (11th ed.), p. 276Mr. Burrus indicates otherwise.I tend to agree, but RONR contemplates, on the following page, that a divisible question may be considered seriatim. So I'm unclear on the advice offered on Page 593. Does it apply only to "lengthy amendments" of interrelated sections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted October 17, 2012 at 03:00 AM Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 at 03:00 AM I tend to agree, but RONR contemplates, on the following page, that a divisible question may be considered seriatim.You're referring to where it says, "If it has been decided to consider divisible material seriatim, even if the material was divisible on the demand of a single member, it is too late to move or demand a division of the question." That's exactly why considering separate amendments to the constitution would not be advisable. There's no reason to have the fate of one amendment tied to the others.So I'm unclear on the advice offered on Page 593. Does it apply only to "lengthy amendments" of interrelated sections?The advice relating to "a lengthy amendment involving more than one section" applies to a lengthy amendment involving more than one section, not to multiple unrelated amendments. If a series of unrelated amendments is being offered in one motion, then my recommendation is that anyone who is not in favor of one of them (as offered) should demand that it be considered separately. That way is there the opportunity to offer amendments to, as well as to adopt or reject, that amendment itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR Posted October 17, 2012 at 03:10 AM Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 at 03:10 AM So it's the amendment that contains more than one section, not that it involves more than one section of the bylaws—do I have that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted October 17, 2012 at 03:29 PM Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 at 03:29 PM So it's the amendment that contains more than one section, not that it involves more than one section of the bylaws—do I have that right?No. It is one amendment that involves more than one section of the bylaws. For example, as discussed at the top of the same page (p. 593), there may be an extensive change that involves the substitution of an entire group of sections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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