Sean Hunt Posted October 22, 2012 at 04:23 AM Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 at 04:23 AM One thing that has confused me for a bit now, and I've only started to fully realize this, is that I'm not clear on when an incidental motion may be an incidental main motion. For instance, if a member believes that a matter is so urgent that it should come before reports in the order of business, and he moves to Suspend the Rules to take a matter up immediately, is that an incidental main motion since no business is pending? If so, is it debateable, since main motions are normally debateable? Couldn't debate on the motion defeat the purpose of moving it to address a matter immediately?(Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the rules on me, so there may be some special case I'm missing that makes my specific example unusual. If so, please substitute an example that does not have this problem) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted October 22, 2012 at 01:17 PM Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 at 01:17 PM In this case I think the answer to your first question is, no. I believe the examples shown in that section are uses of the incidental motion.On the other hand on p. 74 RONR notes suspending a standing rule for the duration of a session is an IMM, and that would be debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted October 22, 2012 at 02:02 PM Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 at 02:02 PM One thing that has confused me for a bit now, and I've only started to fully realize this, is that I'm not clear on when an incidental motion may be an incidental main motion. For instance, if a member believes that a matter is so urgent that it should come before reports in the order of business, and he moves to Suspend the Rules to take a matter up immediately, is that an incidental main motion since no business is pending? If so, is it debateable, since main motions are normally debateable? Couldn't debate on the motion defeat the purpose of moving it to address a matter immediately?(Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the rules on me, so there may be some special case I'm missing that makes my specific example unusual. If so, please substitute an example that does not have this problem)Such a motion is an incidental motion to Suspend the Rules, even when made while no motion is pending. It is, therefore, neither debatable nor amendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousBlue Posted October 22, 2012 at 04:21 PM Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 at 04:21 PM The reason is perhaps explained at RONR (11th ed.), p. 69, ll. 11-19:As a class, incidental motions deal with questions of procedure arising out of :(1) commonly, another pending motion; but also(2) sometimes, another motion or item of businessa) that it is desired to introduce, that has been made but has not yet been stated by the chair, orc) that has just been pending.The example given appears to fall into category (2)(a). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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