Guest inquiring mind Posted October 23, 2012 at 09:37 PM Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 at 09:37 PM Our association utilizes a nominating committee for the purposes generating a recommended slate of officers. Our bylaws state additional nominations may be made by a petition within a specified time frame. If no such petitions have been received, are nominations allowed from the floor at the election meeting? We conduct our meeting by voice vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR Posted October 23, 2012 at 09:39 PM Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 at 09:39 PM This is a matter of interpretation for your association to decide. By providing for additional nominations by petition, it could be argued that the default method of nominations from the floor is thereby prohibited. In any event, the answer should not hinge on whether petitions are received or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted October 23, 2012 at 10:57 PM Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 at 10:57 PM We conduct our meeting by voice vote.I trust you make an exception for elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted October 24, 2012 at 01:29 PM Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 at 01:29 PM This is a matter of interpretation for your association to decide. By providing for additional nominations by petition, it could be argued that the default method of nominations from the floor is thereby prohibited. In any event, the answer should not hinge on whether petitions are received or not.It could also be argued that nominations by petition are merely an additional tool, and that nominations from the floor must still be allowed, unless explicitly prohibited.Either outcome would be the result of bylaws interpretation, which, as a non-member, is none of my business, but if it were, I'd argue for floor nominations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted October 24, 2012 at 02:30 PM Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 at 02:30 PM It could also be argued that nominations by petition are merely an additional tool, and that nominations from the floor must still be allowed, unless explicitly prohibited.Either outcome would be the result of bylaws interpretation, which, as a non-member, is none of my business, but if it were, I'd argue for floor nominations.With respect to nomination by ballot, RONR notes (11th ed., p. 437) that "Since each member has the opportunity to nominate on his ballot a candidate for every office, he does not have the right then to make nominations from the floor, unless the assembly by a majority vote authorizes such nominations." I would think that the same general rule might apply to nominations by petition only if nominations may be made by a petition submitted by one member alone (which I suspect is not normally the case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted October 24, 2012 at 03:12 PM Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 at 03:12 PM With respect to nomination by ballot, RONR notes (11th ed., p. 437) that "Since each member has the opportunity to nominate on his ballot a candidate for every office, he does not have the right then to make nominations from the floor, unless the assembly by a majority vote authorizes such nominations." I would think that the same general rule might apply to nominations by petition only if nominations may be made by a petition submitted by one member alone (which I suspect is not normally the case).Sure, I'd be happy to apply that rule in this case as well. It would simply be the motion to open (or reopen) nominations which requires majority approval.So I guess it would be fair to say that if the bylaws specify nomination by ballot, or petition, or similar means, then, after all nominations are offered from sources other than the floor, nominations are, by default, closed. But they may be opened by the routine motion to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR Posted October 24, 2012 at 03:48 PM Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 at 03:48 PM It could also be argued that nominations by petition are merely an additional tool, and that nominations from the floor must still be allowed, unless explicitly prohibited.Either outcome would be the result of bylaws interpretation, which, as a non-member, is none of my business, but if it were, I'd argue for floor nominations.To continue the exercise, I would then direct you to RONR (11th ed.), p.589, ll.33-34. By specifying a method for members to make additional nominations, other methods are thereby prohibited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquring mind Posted October 25, 2012 at 04:46 AM Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 at 04:46 AM To continue the exercise, I would then direct you to RONR (11th ed.), p.589, ll.33-34. By specifying a method for members to make additional nominations, other methods are thereby prohibited.the bylaws also state that RORN is the official guide for occasions not otherwise covered in the bylaws; since a procedure is covered with respect to additional nominations being by petition, would that be interpreted to mean floor nominations are not allowed since an alternative is specified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted October 25, 2012 at 07:14 AM Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 at 07:14 AM the bylaws also state that RORN is the official guide for occasions not otherwise covered in the bylaws; since a procedure is covered with respect to additional nominations being by petition, would that be interpreted to mean floor nominations are not allowed since an alternative is specified?That is certainly one interpretation, but if you require multiple signatures on a "nominating petition" that could alter the interpretation, as Dan noted back in #5.RONR clearly gives any single member the right to make a nomination (p. 287, #3) - taking away that right (or any right of membership) must be so stated in the bylaws (p. 14, line 26 ff.). Do your bylaws say "No floor nominations" or equivalent in unambiguous phrasing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquring mind Posted October 25, 2012 at 02:27 PM Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 at 02:27 PM That is certainly one interpretation, but if you require multiple signatures on a "nominating petition" that could alter the interpretation, as Dan noted back in #5.RONR clearly gives any single member the right to make a nomination (p. 287, #3) - taking away that right (or any right of membership) must be so stated in the bylaws (p. 14, line 26 ff.). Do your bylaws say "No floor nominations" or equivalent in unambiguous phrasing?No, they do not state a specific prohibition to floor nominations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted October 25, 2012 at 02:33 PM Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 at 02:33 PM That, IMO, strengthens the case for requiring the chair to call for floor nomination - p. 435.However, as we all said, the business of coming to an interpretive decision is up to your assembly - see p. 588 for the "how-to" of that process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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