Guest Grace Posted March 2, 2013 at 03:12 PM Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 at 03:12 PM We have a member of our board who takes it upon himself to make a motion, get a second and then call for a vote without involving the President at all. He just "takes over" rather than deferring to our President for the vote. Is this allowable under the rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted March 2, 2013 at 03:14 PM Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 at 03:14 PM We have a member of our board who takes it upon himself to make a motion, get a second and then call for a vote without involving the President at all. He just "takes over" rather than deferring to our President for the vote. Is this allowable under the rules?No, of course not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ed Posted March 2, 2013 at 04:00 PM Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 at 04:00 PM And if the President/Chairman allows this to happen, then you might have a bigger problem - you might need a new President/Chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rthib Posted March 2, 2013 at 06:41 PM Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 at 06:41 PM He didn't get a second.Someone yelling Second, is not a second.The chair has to ask. Until someone is recognized and seconds it didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted March 2, 2013 at 06:47 PM Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 at 06:47 PM He didn't get a second.Someone yelling Second, is not a second.The chair has to ask. Until someone is recognized and seconds it didn't happen.See if p.35, ll.4-8, doesn't change your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:17 PM Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:17 PM He didn't get a second.Someone yelling Second, is not a second.The chair has to ask. Until someone is recognized and seconds it didn't happen.Actually, someone yelling "Second!" is a second. Seconding a motion doesn't require recognition. Likewise, it is appropriate for a member to second a motion before the chair has requested a second - thus making such a request unnecessary.The problem here is the member taking it upon himself to state and put the question on the motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMargaret Posted March 4, 2013 at 03:34 PM Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 at 03:34 PM We have a member of our board who takes it upon himself to make a motion, get a second and then call for a vote without involving the President at all. He just "takes over" rather than deferring to our President for the vote. Is this allowable under the rules?I would say that this is much more a problem with the President than it is with this member of the board. Also, is this a small board, operating under informal rules? In an informal setting, I can see a member saying "are we all in favour of this?", to help move the meeting along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted March 4, 2013 at 04:55 PM Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 at 04:55 PM Also, is this a small board, operating under informal rules? In an informal setting, I can see a member saying "are we all in favour of this?", to help move the meeting along.Well, while it may help to "move the meeting along", I don't believe anything in RONR gives this authority (i.e. to announce a motion adopted by, or at the very least to call for, unanimous consent) to anyone other than the chair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted March 4, 2013 at 07:39 PM Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 at 07:39 PM He didn't get a second.Someone yelling Second, is not a second.The chair has to ask. Until someone is recognized and seconds it didn't happen.Ummmmmm No. Someone saying "Second" without being recognized is the standard method for seconding. The chair need not call for a second, and some people believe that he should not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted March 4, 2013 at 09:43 PM Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 at 09:43 PM No, of course not.Unless the chair would fail to properly handle the motion, either by stating it, or ruling it out of order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted March 4, 2013 at 09:47 PM Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 at 09:47 PM Unless the chair would fail to properly handle the motion, either by stating it, or ruling it out of order.Should this read: "Unless the chair would fail to properly handle the motion, either by not stating it, or ruling it out of order." ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted March 4, 2013 at 10:05 PM Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 at 10:05 PM Should this read: "Unless the chair would fail to properly handle the motion, either by not stating it, or ruling it out of order." ?I read it that JJ was indicating the methods that the chair could properly handle the motion - by stating it, or ruling it out of order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted March 4, 2013 at 10:11 PM Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 at 10:11 PM I read it that JJ was indicating the methods that the chair could properly handle the motion - by stating it, or ruling it out of order.I read it that J.J. was completely ignoring the facts stated by the OP, to which I was responding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted March 4, 2013 at 10:13 PM Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 at 10:13 PM I read it that J.J. was completely ignoring the facts stated by the OP, to which I was responding.Yes, there's that, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMargaret Posted March 4, 2013 at 10:20 PM Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 at 10:20 PM Well, while it may help to "move the meeting along", I don't believe anything in RONR gives this authority (i.e. to announce a motion adopted by, or at the very least to call for, unanimous consent) to anyone other than the chair.Oh, I quite concur - but would assign more blame in this to the chair, rather than to the member (given how I'm currently interpreting the question, at least).I'm also having difficulty with the "[we] have a member of our board who takes it upon himself to make a motion" part - horrors! someone who took it upon himself to make a motion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted March 5, 2013 at 12:00 AM Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 at 12:00 AM The chair need not call for a second, and some people believe that he should not.Well, p. 35ff does describe a few circumstances where it would be appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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