Guest Kam Gupta Posted October 16, 2013 at 07:24 PM Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 at 07:24 PM What happens when the president invites a consultant as visitor and allow them to participate in the meeting as if they are board members? I think we do it because we might not know any better. My understanding is that the visitors can only be observers and can not really sit with the board members in the board meetings. Please help me clarify the circumstances a visitor can be present in the board meeting and participate actively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted October 16, 2013 at 07:28 PM Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 at 07:28 PM A majority vote is sufficient to invite a consultant (or other non-Board person) to participate, but not debate a motion. The president (unless your bylaws say so) cannot invite someone on his own. A majority vote is sufficient to send the consultant packing, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted October 16, 2013 at 08:16 PM Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 at 08:16 PM My understanding is that the visitors can only be observers and can not really sit with the board members in the board meetings. RONR doesn't really care where he sits. If it becomes an issue, a majority vote (or unanimous consent) will settle it. Please help me clarify the circumstances a visitor can be present in the board meeting and participate actively. It depends on how actively you want him to participate. A majority vote (or unanimous consent) is required to let the visitor be present and to speak when no question is pending. A 2/3 vote (or unanimous consent) is required to let the visitor speak in debate on a pending question or make motions. Under no circumstances can the visitor be permitted to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 31, 2013 at 01:57 PM Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 at 01:57 PM Where do I find this information in Robert's Rules? Which section? I will need to quote it at a meeting. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted October 31, 2013 at 02:05 PM Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 at 02:05 PM Where do I find this information in Robert's Rules? Which section? I will need to quote it at a meeting. :/RONR p. 263 ll. 15-24 and the footnote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 31, 2013 at 02:35 PM Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 at 02:35 PM Can you please give me a chapter number and paragraph? I cannot find this. Thanks so much!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted October 31, 2013 at 02:56 PM Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 at 02:56 PM Can you please give me a chapter number and paragraph? I cannot find this. Thanks so much!! Ch. VIII, Section 25, pg. 263, third paragraph, and the footnote on that page. I don't suppose you're reading an online version, and that's why you can't find pg. 263? If so, you're probably reading the 4th edition, which is a bit out of date (1915). It's the version you'll generally find online since it's in the public domain. If you want to read the current edition of RONR, you'll need to actually get the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 31, 2013 at 03:20 PM Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 at 03:20 PM I have purchased and downloaded the book to my Kindle, which unfortunately I do not have with me at the moment. This matter was just brought to my attention, and I was hoping to get my "ducks in a row" prior to tonight's meeting, so I wasn't rushed and wasn't looking things up on the Kindle at the last minute. Are you willing to quote me the passage? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted October 31, 2013 at 03:25 PM Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 at 03:25 PM Did you get your Kindle version recently? It may be you have D/L'ed some other book with "Robert" in the title. What is the EXACT FULL title of what you can read on Kindle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted October 31, 2013 at 03:28 PM Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 at 03:28 PM I have purchased and downloaded the book to my Kindle, which unfortunately I do not have with me at the moment. This matter was just brought to my attention, and I was hoping to get my "ducks in a row" prior to tonight's meeting, so I wasn't rushed and wasn't looking things up on the Kindle at the last minute. The Kindle version you bought is probably also the 4th edition. No Kindle version of the current edition is currently available. Are you willing to quote me the passage? "...the rules cannot be suspended so as to give the right to vote to a nonmember" (RONR, 11th ed., pg. 263, lines 22-23). "In contrast, the rules may be suspended to allow a nonmember to speak in debate" (pg. 263, footnote). If you need something else, let me know. The rules I mentioned in Post #3 are scattered throughout the text and you weren't specific in your request, so I'm not sure whether Chris guessed right about what you wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 31, 2013 at 04:21 PM Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 at 04:21 PM I downloaded the Kindle version, which actually says "Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised." The publication date is August 2011, so I assumed I was getting the most recent edition, but apparently this is the 9th edition. I am new to all of this Kindle/online stuff, and thought it would be helpful to have something that was electronically searchable at the meeting. Guess I was wrong. :/ Thanks all of you for all of your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted October 31, 2013 at 04:32 PM Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 at 04:32 PM I downloaded the Kindle version, which actually says "Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised." The publication date is August 2011, so I assumed I was getting the most recent edition, but apparently this is the 9th edition. The publication date must be referring to the publication of the Kindle version. Still, that's certainly an improvement. The 9th edition was published in 1990, so it's only a little over twenty years old instead of nearly a hundred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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